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  1. Or as the majority of us thought Gibson shouldn't have made Woodgate head coach in the 1st place and we more than likely wouldn't be in this mess.
    4 points
  2. If there's a positive to come out of this, it's the elimination of any complacency which might have built up after Warnock's arrival and the Stoke win. Actually, I've just thought of another potential positive. It might finally show Gibson in ten-foot glowing neon letters that the problems at MFC run far deeper than a series of cack managerial appointments. Only root and branch reform can stop us becoming another Sunderland (or, as someone cruelly suggested on here earlier in the week, another Bradford City).
    4 points
  3. Completely disagree. It wasn't a lack of effort, it was a lack of class in the final 3rd. Most other teams would've been 3-0 up at half time and had the game killed off.
    4 points
  4. Feel like whenever I get a bit cocky about Boro I get sent crashing back down to earth with a vengeance. That was a wakeup call for the fans, players, and Warnock that we are in just as much trouble as any other side. Last night was a disaster... but Hull are still bloody lucky to walk away with 3 points, let's be honest. All it took was our players to take a breath, put their heads up, and find a team mate in the box and we would have had 2 or 3 ourselves. I'll see what the response is like against QPR before writing us off. Though I am more than a little scared that this is a job
    4 points
  5. I'm going to go against popular opinion on here and try and find a few positives from yesterday. I thought defensively we were good on the whole, we made 2 real mistakes at the back and both times it led to goals. For 85 minutes between the goals Hull barely threatened us. Our positioning on the pitch was good we defended quite high up the pitch at times and that had us on the front foot for a lot of the game. I was worried about 'Pulis like' tactics from Warnock but I thought we were far more positive than that. We often had our full backs overlapping and were consistently getting
    4 points
  6. What basics are you on about? I think it takes a lot longer to adapt from the Austrian league to the championship playing in a *** team and having trained under a manager for 6 months who shouldn’t manage a football team. There is no way he can put much trust in a defence containing Friend and Johnson. Do you honestly think Woodgate and his staff trained defensive shape with the defenders and keeper? It’s not like De Gea was an instant hit. It takes a lot longer than you think to adapt. Writing off a keeper after 4-5 games in a new league is crazy.
    3 points
  7. None. There is never anything remotely positive about relegation. There are excuses like "time to clean up" "give the kids a chance" "kickstart the club" but it's all excuses and nothing positive.
    3 points
  8. I've been doing some digging into the Wigan situation. This is what I have found so far. IEC, a Hong Kong Based investment company (Seem to have made their money in property), acquired Wigan in Nov 2018. Interestingly although based in Hong Kong, they are registered to the Cayman Islands (Which is a known tax haven). Within a year (Nov 2019) they were then known to be actively looking to sell the club. In Feb 2020 they released a document to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange stating they were wishing to sell the club due to "income and profitability of the club were not significantly improved as
    3 points
  9. Good post, I've never been a huge Warnock fan but I think criticism of him at the moment is silly and I think the players are doing their best. As you say, what we are seeing now is the result of three and a half years of mismanagement from Gibson and the staff he's employed. You look at yesterdays team, we still haven't replaced George Friend at left back when you could see in the Premier league season that his legs were starting to go. Spence looks like he could potentially be our new right back but he's still very raw, that's a position that we haven't been able to consistently
    3 points
  10. Good job you're not running the team then as your man management would be appalling. Goes alongside your negativity.
    3 points
  11. Middlesbrough vs QPR (H) The year is 2012, the headlines read: "Queens Park Rangers have sacked manager Neil Warnock after a run of eight Premier League games without a win. The 63-year-old took charge at Loftus Road in March 2010 and led Rangers to promotion last season, but leaves with them lying 17th in the top flight." Neil is left to stew in a fit of rage: after catapulting QPR into the Premier League, he's been sacked halfway through the next season before he could even recover from his new years hangover! He begins plotting his elaborate revenge, after
    2 points
  12. I was told pre-Warnock we have an agreement in place with Sunderland for Lynden Gooch but it is dependent on if we stay in the Championship. We are also looking at Ruel Sotiriou but there is interest from Peterborough who seem to have a great track record of developing lower league talent then selling on for a profit with sell on for financial survival.
    2 points
  13. It would be a disaster, there is no guarantee that div 1 will start until crowds are allowed back in the ground, that won’t be until next calendar year at the earliest. With our wage bill and no income, we’ll go bust, it’s that simple.
    2 points
  14. This, the club we know and love might not survive relegation. It's that serious. I remember the last couple of times we've been relegated and people talking about us bouncing straight back. For every Leicester in the 3rd tier, there's a Sunderland and Sheffield United.
    2 points
  15. That's the only thing I can think of, really. Maybe Gibson would take a great deal of responsibility for it and actually realise he needs help to create a football club in modern times that delivers on things he really wants.
    2 points
  16. Wait, are you comparing what most football fans serve up on Twitter to people who dedicate their careers to critiquing things? There's a profound difference between the way someone like Will Gompertz would review the latest movies and Jimmy the roofer coming onto social media and saying Toy Story 4 was ***. That's not to say one is right and the other is wrong, it's all opinion. But one is well-formed from a background of critique and the other is a spur of the moment blast, maybe brought on by the fact Jimmy's kids wouldn't be quiet for most the movie and little Jimmy junior had to go fo
    2 points
  17. I pick up on the fact your absolutely correct and going down could ultimately be the final nail in the coffin of a club totally mismanaged. I wish it was only a bad spell because that would give hope something could be done to correct a poor period, but it is not just a bad period but it's become a norm over a very long period. Never mind thriving the club has totally misjudged what it takes to survive in the league and wasted money experimenting and failing to manage the risks.
    2 points
  18. I didn't watch the Stoke game, but Hull certainly didn't tear us apart defensively. They scored from a stupid direct free kick and a long punt into the box. We snuffed almost everything out before they got close to our box but because Johnson isn't a defender there is always going to be that lapse of concentration about picking up players. But he was left with 2-3 players on his own because Friend didn't know what was going on behind him.
    2 points
  19. To be honest I am just looking for any crumbs of comfort at this time. Relegation could impact our club like no other time and a real concern
    2 points
  20. I think I know where the misunderstanding came from. It was a couple of days before Halloween and Woody was chatting to Keane. Keane was worried because he only had half an hour between training and the beginning of the trick or treating. Woody told him that he couldn’t leave early and he’d have to take training in his outfit. Keane said, that’ll be a laugh You’ll be taking training with a warlock.
    2 points
  21. Charlton lost, which suits us. Need 3 points to go ahead of them, though.
    1 point
  22. I personally think that if we stay up the timing couldnt be better. Clubs all across Europe will be trying to shed wages and let people go for under market value fees. Players who would have been offered new contracts 6 months ago will now be free agents. If we pick our moves right we could make a team that can challenge at the right end of the table. Do I have faith that we will do that? Absolutely not.
    1 point
  23. Disaster. Crowds would fall to less than 7k, and teams with stadiums with significantly more empty seats than filled dont seem to do well. Squad is in tatters and we would need to rebuild with next to no money. We would be in another relegation battle.
    1 point
  24. Issue is that someone on this forum is very very well connected with the club and I don't think it's fair when someone posts complete lies which puts the club in a negative light. Yes, we all get information wrong and I recognise that and understand that but I don't think it's fair that fans are mislead into believing posts which are made up. I know the poster who is very well connected to the club and I am sure the admins will be confirm this. I have always been happy to reveal where I get my information from and take the criticism when it's wrong which it has been, but I am s
    1 point
  25. There are no positives, if we do get relegated we would get rid of the high earners but we would be offered a lot less for the players than their market value, beggars can't be choosers. Season ticket prices would have to fall, but fans may start to think the chairman has pulled their pants down once to often so I see a fan backlash. I think it would be a complete financial disaster, and who honestly would want to invest financially into a club where the owner has shown how incompetent he is time and time again. We would struggle to come back up we should be a lot better than this, its crim
    1 point
  26. The only positive is that we're not down yet and we have a manager who's got out of this situation before.
    1 point
  27. On a plus note we would become an attractive proposition for Netflix following up with their Sunderland til I die documentary series. With Warnock at the helm half time team talks would prove worthwhile as well. It would be great to see the Gazette put a positive spin on relegation as well.
    1 point
  28. If we go down, my 2 biggest worries are the financial implications and how Gibson runs the club. Going down to the 3rd tier will leave us with an even bigger financial hole to fill, as we will lose yet more TV money (In terms of actual broadcasting income, plus we will receive the League 1 Solidarity payment rather than Championship). If that was the case, it stresses the need for Gibson to continue to support the club financially, but would he relinquish any control and let footballing decisions be made by footballing people, probably not. What I will say though, if (Big if), we sorted our
    1 point
  29. I do honestly believe we'll stay up. We've got players who are better than most of the teams around us, Warnock is the most experienced manager out of all the bosses down there and we're not in the bottom 3 either.
    1 point
  30. You mean Wycombe will not get promotion🙃
    1 point
  31. Where is this lack of effort stuff coming from? Can anyone give me some examples from last night? Lack of quality.... fair enough but I didn't see any player not putting a shift in.
    1 point
  32. I think the only worry from the match yesterday was the complete lack of cutting edge. It was a lapse of concentration that gave them the winner, they were a very unthreatening team throughout. I really did not see their winner coming. I think every team in the league bar us would have beaten that Hull side yesterday, they were woeful. The ref played a part, but Warnock is right in as much as the players should have twigged on that he didn't have a clue and avoided breathing near the opposition.
    1 point
  33. Good post @DanFromDownSouth
    1 point
  34. Yes, you could be right but it's frightening how Stoke and Hull have tore us apart defensively at times in both games and they are not blessed with quality. Those 2 players in particular are quality and pacey and I think we will struggle to contain those 2 players. I think people forget against Stoke we were particularly lucky that they were really poor finishing easy chances.
    1 point
  35. 100% I know he wasn't here helping out, contrary to what smoggydownsouth's friend who is a porter said. Absolute rubbish. Woodgate refused to have any help in earlier on in the season when it was offered.
    1 point
  36. Can't really argue with that but what has clearly been shown is the total lack of leadership on the pitch, desperately needed. I will be honest this defeat, one of many, hurt me more so than any others because I really thought we would make a fist of it but as the game went on less than a handfull of players showed any desire. How will this be turned? well Warnock has to find something in the last 6 games which was not shown over the previous 40 games. No i really is not looking promosing and we can not rely on others screwing up as badly as we have done.
    1 point
  37. I'd like to think there is still time for Warnock to knock them into some sort of shape, but like you I have often watched our players and wondered how they actually managed to get contracts as professional footballers, when they seem so clueless. Then again Gibson hired Woodgate, so I guess anything goes at Boro...
    1 point
  38. Well the Hull game knocked the stuffing out of any hope people held. It’s pretty bad, no it’s really bad actually because we seen a team any manager will struggle to improve. I’m baffled how they actually call themselves footballers or better put, what skill is needed to become labeled a footballer to be paid large sums of money. Is there anyone at the club who recommends players or buys knows anything about football. No disrespect to Hull but I’ve seen better Sunday morning teams that would have given Hull more of a game. Players who don’t turn inside into a pack of opposition, players tha
    1 point
  39. Yes but Dave sweated a bit, now whether that was down to effort, or just been 20 stone well who knows!!! But at least he did.
    1 point
  40. Yeah same here about getting carried away, I'm just hoping our decision making and delivery into the box can only get better after last night.
    1 point
  41. The way the final fixtures are going, some of the relegation rivals have to drop points, which might save us. Barnsley play Stoke, Luton and Wigan. Luton play Barnsley, Huddersfield and Hull. Wigan play Barnsley, Hull and Charlton. Hull play Luton and Wigan. Charlton play Wigan Huddersfield play Luton. Stoke play Barnsley A lot of them play Brentford, who are probably the best side in the league.
    1 point
  42. I'm thankful it's a quick turn around, no time to dwell too long on a disastrous result as they'll already be preparing for QPR in 2 days. Needs to rack up some wins, and fast.
    1 point
  43. Theres a flip side to that, if they see comments that say they haven't got enough quality surely the next game youd want to prove them wrong. The other thing is lets say they do read social media, why diddnt all the positive comments from last week help them if negative comments have the opposite affect.
    1 point
  44. Neil Madison is *** clueless, and if a professional footballer can't take reading a bit of criticism about himself on social media then he shouldn't be playing the game.
    1 point
  45. Warnock highlighted the lack of leaders at the club and it showed badly today. They changed shape with 5 mins to go and we panicked and kept giving them back the ball. Yes, the quality in the final 3rd was bad (awful) but we are a team scrapping around in the bottom half, so I don’t expect a lot. Another day something bobbles about a bit and we sneak a winner. We were marginally the better team today and lost. Sometimes that happens, but at least we looked interested and did play with some intent.
    1 point
  46. You haven't seen how distraught he can get at times and struggles to sleep because of your comments 😂😂
    1 point
  47. Mate, I've often questioned that over the years! But I'd go and see someone about that vendetta that you have.... Not healthy at all 🤣😆
    1 point
  48. Well you’re the Dad so ask yourself
    1 point
  49. Absolutely buzzing for Woody. Was so desperate for him, Leo and Robbie to do well. Couldn't be happier to see Woody proving those in the south stand who booed him after 4 games as well as those who were calling into BBC Tees wanting him sacked from October totally wrong. A fat serving of humble pie for them tonight. Happy new year indeed. Utfb.
    1 point

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