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I prefer to deal in facts. And the fact is we are somewhere in the region of 100 times greater in debt than when we went bust back in the 80’s. The value of our entire playing staff is not enough to match this debt. There is no chance of us being attractive to any prospective buyer - even if the club was given away and the buyer inherited the debt. So whilst it is true fans of mature years enjoyed the best of times - with players we could only dream of seeing playing for MFC- this has come at a mighty cost. Namely the debt. We have nearly turned a full circle now with us ha9 points
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Personally I can’t stand the Gibson bashing. Have you heard of financial fair play. There’s only so much he can do and put into the club. Even if he had multi billions spare lying around he couldn’t say here you go here’s a transfer budget. Even with a takeover they would have the same spend limit so would be no difference.8 points
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If I may indulge in an analogy, when we had lots of money, we spunked it right up the wall. Now we have limited money, we'll spunk it over the carpet instead. Our recruitment policy could be summed up in one word - bukkake. And in the meantime, better-managed clubs with smaller historic budgets continue to outperform us. I'm okay with signing lower-league players if that's all we can afford now. It's just sad that we wasted so many seasons throwing millions at the likes of Flint. We overspent and underperformed. And now we have to struggle along with a bare-bones squad and the prospect of5 points
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Bukakka comes from the Japanese for “Ritual humiliation” which is very apt for what Boro have been serving up under the likes of Monk, Pulis, Woodgate and Warnock as our Saturday 3pm ritual 😳4 points
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I dont think anyone has ever criticised Gibson for the financial support he continues to give the club. His commitment isn't whats at fault. No amount of money would help if its all being wasted through abysmal decisions and a complete lack of planning and foresight. Its this area that Gibson gets rightfully criticised and something simply has to change in that regard.4 points
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Happy Father’s Day to all the Boro lads that are dads, that have dads, that are going to become dads or maybe lost your dad over the years. ❤️3 points
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The Gibson 'bashing' is very little about his actual monetary investment from what I've seen. I know some will always hark back to times when we spent a lot of money in the transfer market and not see that we can't do that any more but that definitely doesn't seem to be the overwhelming anti-Gibson narrative, certainly not on this forum. It's more about Gibson's control and decision making with the money he has and has had. He's not a modern football director but he, Bausor and one or two others at any one time often seem like they try to operate as such. There's a reason in the modern ga3 points
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Me too although I was told they wanted treble that amount previously. He's been scouted by us on numerous occasions so I'd be very surprised if didn't make a bid for that money3 points
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Doesn't mean they're right. More changed than just Johnson being dropped. The strikers downed tools completely, tav, morsy and fry started having injury problems and Warnock seemed to lose the ability to motivate or organise us in any shape or form. Johnson was poor for 90% of his time here, the rest he was average. He got a couple of goals and assists at the start of the season but that's nothing to write home about either. The calls for him to not have been dropped was just typical fans thinking someone who isn't in the side is better than they are.3 points
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I've never bashed him for not putting more money into the club. I shudder to think how much he has sunk into Boro over the years, knowing he will never get it back. I'm also grateful he continues to subsidise the annual running costs. What I have been bashing him for is his total inability to think any further forward than the next season, his chopping and changing of mangers every couple of seasons (with the resultant changes in playing staff), some truly terrible decision making and his seeming refusal over the years to let go the reins of power and br3 points
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Genuine question (not having a pop), when did he do that? As far as I'm aware he's not written the debt we owe him off, as it's all owed to the "parent/group" company.2 points
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Hartlepool ❌❌🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵 Torquay ❌❌🟡🟡🟡🟡❌ Hartlepool are promoted to the football league. Unbelievable Jeff 😀😀😀2 points
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Not a matter of accepting it. I want better, ultimately want to see us back in the premier league and trying for Europe like the old days but I’m saying people are complaining already about next season and Gibson when no one is really making signings and improvements yet. Let’s see what the start of the season and end of the window brings before we start moaning at least. No?2 points
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Before Christmas Johnson was our top scorer and with the most assists. Watmore came in towards the end of the year and done really well eventually overtaking him (not too difficult when he wasn't playing), but then came the January Transfer window and despite NML, Bolasie and Kebano all being better on paper the results weren't. Towards the end Bolasie was getting fitter and looked like he was maybe getting back to his previous high standards but even then it still isn't nailed on. Kebano looked decent and tidy at times but with nothing to show for it in reality, I'd have him back but I'm not2 points
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"Bukkake Football" - sounds like a Japanese sport-porn site. 😂 I agree though. The club's decision-making and financial management has been pretty abysmal for some time now.2 points
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The only way we can spend more is to increase income, selling players, tickets and merchandise. Only with a full ground and will the last two happen so the the only other way is to sell players, we can either replace or are surplus. Gibson currently puts in the maximum, but he won't be around forever so he wants the club to be run in a sustainable manner, so why are people anti sustainability? The money Gibson does put in should be for player purchases, not just used to keep the club afloat.2 points
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It was a few years ago now he issued new shares and converted the debt.1 point
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Followed the text updates on the BBC and even that was nerve shredding, great stuff Poolies!1 point
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What a fantastic loan spell for Brad James. Playing competitive games, playing a major role in helping Pools get to the Play Offs then getting to the Final itself, flapping at a last ditch cross in the Final and losing the promotion dream with mere seconds remaining, then added time, penalties, then sudden death penalties and making that promotion winning save!1 point
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well.. that's today's big match done .. back to the smaller competition.. well done Pools.. in two seasons you'll be having a local derby with the team up the road 🙂1 point
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Well done hartlepool! Would have been gutting to get beat by a 95th minute goalkeeper goal1 point
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Hartlepool 1 up in their play off final. Hope they can get themselves promoted into the FL again.1 point
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Yeah I couldn't agree more on this. Respect Gibson's for everything he has done, but the club is living in the dark ages and making the same mistakes all the time because of his stubbornness and lack of money. The game is a money game now so for me it's time for him to move on as there's no room for sentiment in the game these days. The 70's and 80's era fans obviously would disagree with my statement which I accept and understand but for us to move forward as a club then Gibson has to move aside and let someone else either invest in the club or run the day to day foundations.1 point
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So Bolasie is average at best. Hoilett would be average. Your words. If anything, that rates Hoilett higher than Bolasie, implying Bolasie 'at best' is equal to Hoilett. Nonsense. Bolasie played in 15 games, scored 3, assisted 4, whilst not match fit. Over a season that'd be 9 goals and 12 assists. If that's average I'll take average.1 point
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Fans like you just accept it when it clearly isn't good enough the position we are in. The club have no plan to get out of the mess either as just continuing with the same mistakes1 point
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Gibson has made mistakes but: We've never gone down to League One like several clubs He has already written off one set of £100m in debt. We've had longer in the Prem that nearly all the club's you'd compare us with. Looking forward hopefully we do get a DoF and build a model of Academy+bargain transfers. Let's see how this summer pans out. Get off off to a decent start and we could have a decent season.1 point
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Evidently with a lot more debt though. A matter only cured by reaching the Premier league, which we can't afford to fund. Lots of luck needed, which isn't normally a Boro thing.1 point
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I forgot that name altogether but this is from Vickers a few years ago. According to this, the Bayern manager wasn't just linked, he applied and his application was binned. And here's one of his 'Untypical Boro' articles to expand on that: https://untypicalboro.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/mittleburg-am-r/1 point
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What's not to like about that? 😉 But seriously, he's a Warnock player, so I assume (disclaimer coming up here) that he knows his style of play. He did make 173 appearances for Cardiff after all. Sure I would fa-a-a-r prefer someone younger, faster and more creative, but we have to use what's available, and I think he would be a useful addition to the squad.1 point
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Yes but that looks likes its only going to be a loan. Ridicilous transfer business! Meaning when he comes back, he has only 1year on his contract so he will worth nothing and run down his contract no doubt1 point
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We were literally a poorer side in the second half of the season than the first, scoring less goals too. Baffling if you see them as a success or a barometer of a good attacking outlet for us1 point
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exactly this. Before was a weird time Orta was head of recruitment then head of European recruitment with Gill head of UK recruitment. Gibson had just come off the back of his gift giving (Woody, Downing and Rhodes). hopefully everyone has learnt from it and they don’t interfere anymore. I hope that if it goes pear shaped with this fella that we don’t through our the idea altogether.1 point
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https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/canaries-kieran-scott-middlesbrough-approach-update-8072710 "No Boro approach for City recruitment chief Scott" "Norwich City have had no contact from Middlesbrough regarding a potential sporting director role for head of recruitment Kieran Scott. Sun Sport claimed over the weekend Scott’s ‘talent-spotting’ reputation has alerted Championship Boro, who are now ‘mulling over’ offering him a sporting director role. That is news to City, who have yet to receive any contact from the Teessiders, who finished in mid-table under Neil Warn0 points
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