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20 hours ago, Rob said:
how do u think both seasons would of ended up if we didnt change though, warnock was nailed on for mid table then leaving in the summer (after spending in another window) going with wilder gave us an extra spin of the wheel for the play offs, paid off at the time I thought
wilders close to bottom of the league., putting more effort into sulking instead of changing tactics to make it fit until jan when he could get more players in. one thing not being happy with recruitment but another to not try and look after the team best you can under the circumstances and try recruiting again in jan. Theres no reason he couldn't pick up more wins along the way until the window opens - he is a lot better than where he left our team and has come across more stubborn and demanding than footballing genuis he painted himself as. the guys bit the hand that feeds him and still wanted more
that being said i dont think we would of got rid of wilder if he hadn't been so abrasive behind the scenes. he would of got another month minimum.
Gibbos been shown to be patient with managers prior to this run, but feel most the time when we have got rid of people its been their time and the fans have certainly been calling for it (usually for a while before the button was pressed)
I don’t know how any alternate universe would have played out. All I’m saying is that there isn’t really evidence that continuing to chop and change managers works for us either.
Having thought about it I’d have probably given Wilder a few more weeks, maybe until early November, so that if nothing improved we still had someone in to make the most of the World Cup break.
There was a time when Gibson was quite slow in sacking managers, usually a few months behind where the fans would be, nowadays I’d say he’s a little bit quick. Just my opinion, but I didn’t feel like we had a consensus of opinion screaming for his head just yet? Obviously we all wanted him to turn it around.
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On 10/4/2022 at 6:01 PM, Denzel Zanzibar said:
Are you genuinely saying we should have given him more time?
Not sure really. What I do know is that changing managers every October isn't paying dividends for us either.
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Patience with managers 😆
Its a thing of the past, even at Boro.
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11 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:
Why is it a disgrace?
Watford are an embarrassment of a club, nobody should want to emulate them.
We're doing our best though. They've had 10 permanent managers since the new year of 2017. We've had a very competitive 7 ourselves, could soon be 8! 😁
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1 minute ago, Borodane said:
I still have no idea why a Prem team would be looking at him anyway. Apart from one good season with Sheffield United in the Prem he is a lower league manager. If we were in the Prem I'd certainly not be lookin his way. Doesn't mean he can't apply for all the jobs though 😉
He plays amazing football though doesn't he? 😁
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Just now, Ayeres said:
Has nothing to do with Brighton's interest in him at all. It's hard not to notice what he has done with Bodø Glimt when your from the same country 😉
ha fair enough
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1 hour ago, Ayeres said:
I want Kjetil Knutsen, but think he'll end up with Brighton unfortunately.
Be honest, would you have wanted him if he hadn't been recently identified by Brighton?
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Fabio usually gets a mention on these kind of threads, even though he played one match and did ok.
If we were including players who had one match but had a nightmare then Keith O'Halloran would have to be mentioned.
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On 8/7/2022 at 1:09 AM, TheHolgate said:
Ben Roberts
Justin Hoyte
Antonio Barragan
Phil Whelan
Branco
Kevin Thomson (c)
Carlos De Pena
Adlene Guedioura
Lee Dong-Gook
Rudy Gestede
Kris BoydGood post. You've managed to stick to players who actually played more than a handful of minutes on which to judge. And they were indeed all pretty shocking.
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Knew Haas would be in this, didn't he play about 45 minutes for us, in a match we won?
Same goes for Kike Sola although I think it was 0-0 when he was hooked at half-time.
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4 minutes ago, T-CIDER said:
Muniz loan offer still on the table, Larsen training with the club during an external media blackout, Gyok interest re-ignited and Hoppe on a beach doing kick-ups....
Let's face it, we know F' all! 🤷♂️😆
Probably end up with Lee Gregory.
I've always quite liked him! Decent last year too.
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1 minute ago, mendieta420 said:
Goes missing defensively. Tav never.
No, but Tav has always had limitations going forward. Anyway, this is arbitrary, I'm just saying its a potential scenario. I'm not saying that as we sit here today McGree is the better player.
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2 minutes ago, Duvel said:
Yeah but it sounds like you are evaluating their value on what they would have been worth 12 months ago, they've both had the best seasons of their careers so naturally they'll be worth more now.
I know they went for what people are prepared to pay but in the current climate I don't think its that much of a wild statement to say we sold them cheap, especially when you look at what similar players have sold for.
Obviously time will tell but on the pitch I think Tav is going to be a big loss.
Well I was just saying if you'd told me last summer they were going for these amounts I'd have been elated. Appreciate that's not how it works but I think a useful yardstick of what you can expect a player to go for after only one good season. This time last year a significant cohort of our fans thought Tav wasn't good enough, and Spence even more so.
Both players kind of came of age this season.
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1 minute ago, Downsouth said:
Number of posts
Thanks, but how many?
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27 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:
It's your opinion that he wasn't performing very well, but I think it's completely wrong. We turned down reported interest from premier league last season too.
Well as I say, he was only starting half the games whichever way you look at it. I think his stock was considerably lower last summer. I'm not saying he was rubbish though and I've always quite liked him.
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9 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:
I think the word potentially is doing a lot of the work there, personally. I've not seen enough from McGree to suggest he's going to be a better fit for our midfield than Tav was. He's still a young man himself but he's the same age as Tav and isn't as good a player as him in my books.
Not to judge him entirely on this but he didn't have a good game against West Brom at all either, in my view. He was relatively anonymous whereas Tav was always available, was always full of energy, always tracking back.
Time will tell and I hope he has a terrific season with us but I'm not sure about potentially being better than Tav, myself.
Fair enough. But imagine a scenario where McGree comes into a run of form and scores/creates a few goals (something Tav has always struggled with to a degree) and Tav can't even get in the team ahead of him, and we have a £12m lad sat on the bench when we could have sold him and signed 2-3 other players. Not an inconceivable scenario in my opinion, though of course not guaranteed.
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2 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:
Where did I say that? You obviously undervalued the two players - 5mil would have been utterly insane for Tav last summer in particular
Why? He only started about half the games and wasn't performing very well at all in 20/21. He's added some real tenacity to go his game over the last year but his contribution going forward hasn't improved a lot.
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1 minute ago, Neverbefore said:
Or says more about your judgement of talent? Haha
Ah this is one of those "I know more about football than you" conversations. You should have said.
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2 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:
Who's better than Tav by the way?
McGree, as I said, potentially.
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2 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:
I mean they were both young English players with obvious bags of talent and premier league interest pretty much from the moment they broke into the team... Hardly white coat material to think they might progress and go for good money.
Yeah but last summer I'd have considered good money to be about £5m for Tav and £2.5m for Spence,. The fact they've gone for several times more (each) is really quite something when you look at it in isolation.
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3 minutes ago, edinboro said:
So here's a random one. A former Polish international who is now an agent now follows Boro on Twitter. Name is Tomasz Hajto. How do we find out who he represents?
ask him?
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5 minutes ago, estonpidge said:
Market rate is surely the best price you can get and they both went for the best price we could get from the lack of competition means nothing to drive the price up for players who want to leave.
If you'd told me last summer that in 12 months time we'd sell Tav and Spence for a combined £25m (approx.) I'd have sent for the men in white coats. After a good season for each, their market values have obviously gone up but to have expected more for players who really hadn't come of age until last season is a little optimistic in my opinion.
Especially when we already have players at the club who are potentially better than them both.
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41 minutes ago, OldManGravz said:
I think it is at "senior member" but I might be wrong. I think mine is from the days of the old forum layout
How do I become a 'senior member', do I need to be 65?
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7 minutes ago, DurhamRed said:
Greaves is going to cost about 8 million it's bonkers how high championship players are valued now. Yet we sold Tav and Djed for under market rate
Am really not sure how either were under market rate, just my opinion.
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Wilder season grade B minus
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Yes agreed