I agree on both points.
Why not? It's another nail in the coffin. Yes we have relegation rivals to play (mostly away) but they are in good form and please don't forget our horrendous run in, games against Stoke are ones we should be targeting a point at least and a performance to show we can stay in this division.
I think for me it's because Stoke away is more difficult than other games we have still to play. So I understand where BN is coming from here. I don't think he's happy, far from it. But we're not going to be relegated on the back of today. It's just perhaps harder to see how we'll save ourselves if this continues as it is.
Yes it would be great to pick up a point at stoke. But they are notorious for being a team that is solid at home. Personally I think targeting anything from this game would be optimistic.
However that's not to say that the performance so far has been an absolute shambles, and like you say, if we are serious about surviving in the premier league we should be at least showing some competitive spirit and drive.
In short, Getting 0 points from this game will not affect me, but putting in this abject performance will.
Fair point, but look at Bournemouth earlier going to United and taking a point with 10 men - they were massive favourites to lose that. When have we suprised this season and got a positive result? When I look at the fixture list I don't see where any points are coming and remember, while we are losing other teams are picking up points.