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Something picked up on in the announcement. A Freudian slip or an oversight on McNair's part?
"The 24-year-old extends his stay on Teesside until 2027 and, after Dael Fry and Jonny Howson, he is the club’s longest serving senior player currently in the dressing room."
McNair would be ahead of Jones having joined the year prior. And it surely isn't related to injuries as Fry is also out. Seems strange to mention it and not to check.
Not that it will come as much of a surprise to anyone that McNair is leaving. And given the contracts have started being handed out, it perhaps alludes to the club switching focus to next season already. Sure Carrick has said in the past that they wouldn't worry about them until the summer.
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6 minutes ago, Borodane said:
Depends what you mean about high. Do you rate the Championship high? It's obviously not as high as the top tier leagues, but it's certainly higher than a lot of european leagues. The top teams in Denmark can make it in a lot of leagues while the bottom teams are pretty gash. The top 6 would would be competitive in the Championship and Copenhagen would survive in the Prem. I don't think leagues like Holland and Belgium are of much better quality. The best teams can go toe to toe with their opposites in those leagues. The bottom is probably better though in Holland/Belgium.
But it's certainly a better league than the 2 Bundesliga or second tier leagues on other big nations. I don't think the quality in the Championship is much better either.
The data I always try to look for seems to back that up. Though it doesn't seem to have been updated since last season:
https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/
The Championship is the highest rated second-tier league in the world in 11th, which isn't a surprise to me. The next one down is Ligue 2 in France in 22nd, followed by La Liga 2, Serie B and 2. Bundesliga.
Meanwhile, the likes of the Danish Superliga are ranked between the Scottish Prem and the Championship, alongside the top divisions from Turkey, Belgium, Austria and the USA.
This is interesting to do, too, you can compare 2 leagues together and it shows where teams essentially rank against one another. A pretty even spread across the division comparing the Superliga to the Championship:
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14 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:
Their owner is an attention seeking knobhead.
"I'm going to appoint the first female manager in English men's football, why can't people be more like me?".
Had a major press conference announcing her time in charge.
Gave dozens of interviews across the media bigging himself and the club up for it.
All done for publicity before replacing her 2 weeks later, after she'd managed one friendly, by a Horseman.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure they are one of the only clubs who have female coaching staff and she was head of their academy and continues to be now. It was always communicated as putting her in charge in the interim and she could put her hat in the ring for the main job, but they would be doing their work to try and hire the best person for the actual manager's job and it was never said that she was that person. They put her in charge as they said they felt she was the most suitable at the club to do it in the interim and given her 20 years of background of working with men's teams at non-league and academy level, I don't think it's entirely one way or the other to suggest that was the truth.
Dale Vince is what he is, he goes against the grain and as someone who does that whilst having been a successful businessman, I'm sure he's not beyond kissing his own *** in the process. Forest Green are more than just a club who appointed a woman as interim manager for the men's team, though. They're also recognised as the world's greenest football club and that comes as much from him as anyone. There's plenty of knobheads in football and perhaps Vince is one of them. But when it comes to positively putting your money where your mouth is, he has to be right up there too.
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17 minutes ago, RealSlimSladeyy said:
https://x.com/louorns/status/1779817791803068911?s=46&t=4DgbJJ4X4j-daufqrlAhlw
does nothing to hurt the argument of those who think we’re crying out for a proper dm
It is slightly annoying watching Luongo and Morsy and thinking we had them both on our books at one stage. Morsy for us especially, you could see he was a bully and a threat to himself at times but it seemed to be worsened by the way we had him playing in the team. I know there was rumoured to be other issues as to why we sold him but something always felt off about his time here and how he was utilised after all the credit he'd earned with Wigan. Put Morsy where Barlaser often finds himself, alongside Hackney or O'Brien, and that could work. Somewhat more limited passing but he's pivotal to Ipswich.
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3 minutes ago, mackie2424 said:
With Hackney, McGree, Latte Lath, Dieng and Forss all fit for the full season I think we are looking at a much different outcome. Not too mention all the other players that have also had spells out.
Even just those two have shown us since they came back into the side how big a miss they've been. And that's with a complete cock-up last time out from Dieng thrown into the mix, too, been superb the two of them by and large.
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Hladký absolutely saved their bacon in the space of 1-2 minutes. Two superb saves to keep us from winning, especially from Clarke's header.
Really good game of football, that. Don't think either team really deserved to lose but there was opportunities at both ends to win for both sides.
Lath is making this centre-forward business look simple, at the moment. Great delivery from Ayling too, could have had 2 assists with the Clarke one.
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3 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:
I think the money from the TV deal dwarfs the money they'd have been getting from iFollow anyway.
More televised matches than ever, so it does make the Sky prices seem a bit more justifiable (unless they ramp them up massively).
The Saturday 3pm matches can still be done the old fashioned VPN way.
I'm guessing the midweek games probably the same, right? Unless that's changing in some way, even matches scheduled on Sky could be
watched through VPNfrom specific countries, I think?I've only been able to watch red button matches through NowTV on my PlayStation, it only seems to work on certain platforms when I've done that in the past. So I don't know if that's changing in some way. Slightly more expensive for a day pass compared to Boro Live too.
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13 minutes ago, Smogzilla said:
Roughly seven Championship games a week to be broadcast live on Sky next season (assuming it's the same figure every game week).
No more domestic club streaming services, so that means that will be purely overseas going forward I guess. I assume Boro aren't concerned about that given the unanimous approval of this deal. Probably only affects a few games anyway, when a lot of people seem to be watching already on the red button.
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13 minutes ago, ManBearPig said:
I went for Matt Clarke. I think he’s been immense since he returned. Has put his head literally where it hurts for us and always tries hard every game.
At the start of the season if you’ve had said that he would be above Lenihan and Fry in the pecking order I’d have laughed. But I also think he’s brought the best out in Rav too
I think some people genuinely were laughing at the prospect of him ever playing again, never mind coming back in and having any kind of significant impact. Player of the season? Not for me but he definitely deserves a huge amount of respect for getting back in the picture and never giving up hope after such a long time out.
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7 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:
I'm not sure I've seen anyone write him off to speak. I just don't think he's shown what he's capable of yet in his all round game. Despite that hes still getting the odd goal and assist so that's a positive, I just want to see more from him in general play. His speed of thought in particular needs to improve, he takes too long to sort his feet out and make a decision on what to do.
100%, he's a young lad and he'll get the chance to prove himself in the coming years for sure. These experiences will be great for him and will surely serve him well going into next season.
But we can sum the positives in a Boro shirt up simply in moments, never in games. It's hard to even consider him for a man of the match even in games where he has contributed to goals because so far, he's often been relatively anonymous, moreso even than Greenwood has been in the game sometimes. Could say he's similar to Crooks under Carrick, in that regard, as you can never write him off from contributing something to a result even though for large periods you might wonder what he's doing on the pitch.
Still, those moments stand as a bit of a testament to his quality and I think there's reason to be excited by his future. Give him a full pre-season and give him consistency in the team around him and he could flourish in a big way.
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Just now, Neverbefore said:
Taking that pots award off dieng.
But are you sure it's not O'Brien's fault?
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44 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:I've gone Dieng.
I only really think him and Van den Berg have been consistently good this season, but I think Dieng edges it.
Same. Think Dieng has been consistently good in pretty much every game he's played for us this season. Rav absolutely smashes it for young player of the year, though.
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On 4/6/2024 at 8:15 PM, ITK said:
Revenge? We were 2nd best all game, they fully deserved the win. we will go up as champions next season mate 👍
Revenge on the M25.
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42 minutes ago, AnglianRed said:
But for me its all this faffing about, taking points away, giving some back on appeal, then docking more points that makes this whole thing look like a 3-ring circus, where the PL are just making stuff up as they go.
I agree with this but given that football never really stops going, I'm not sure there is a great time to do these things with a reasonable chance to appeal. And really, whilst there seems to be some even within that relegation battle like Andros Townsend coming out and talking about how farcical it is, the clubs involved know the guidelines and should know full well that they bring this uncertainty on themselves. It has to be just, it has to be fair and it has to be equally applied. Luton shouldn't have to think about needing points deductions to avoid relegation and so on that hand, I get where Townsend is coming from. But for the clubs with the deductions on them, I have really got little sympathy with the uncertainty in their own future. They don't deserve to be free of that concern if they are willing to flout the rules.
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There's been plenty of concern aired this season during bad moments but what always seems to come through from the team, beginning with Carrick, is a patient, level-headed look at things. I think we could all do with giving him the same in return, particularly when some of the comments came across like there was something fundamentally wrong with him being in charge. We can't end up in the position we are currently looking like ending in with that being the case, particularly with the injury issues we've dealt with.
You can 100% believe that the sun doesn't shine out of his *** without thinking his head should be on the chopping block, too. I think sometimes people feel like they need to believe the manager is either the best or the worst option available. Carrick has had a tough go of it this season compared to last, I believe that. But I also believe there have been moments where he could have handled it better. I don't agree with every decision he makes but I believe he is rightly still in charge.
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I didn't renew but I probably wouldn't have renewed at any of the prices I'd bought at in the last few years either, it wasn't about that for me.
1 hour ago, Rob said:isn't the number at this stage 2,000 fluctuations? big drop still, but was expected for me tho even if they froze the price, but there is still more time to sell more tickets and they normally do.
but still a big drop of at more than 10% tho from 19k to 17k early birds.
I think the point being focused on right now is more about how many chose to renew during that period than how many we could come out with overall after the summer drive. I don't know the figures but I'd be interested to know how many SC holders overall we had going into last year's early bird window vs. how many we had post-early bird. Was it a gain or a loss and by how much either way. Then compare that difference with the loss this year, you maybe have a better idea of the impact.
Reason being, you go into the first renewal window with 22,000 holders and they all get offered the same discounted version of the price. So why would so many wait until the summer to renew? At that point, I'm not sure if it's even considered a renewal? I can't remember but do you still get the opportunity to hold onto your seat and/or have any discount on the price when the summer drive starts? If not, then it's more of a new purchase when you come to buy.
As I said before, I think I'd really like to see a comparison of people who haven't renewed from different brackets based on their 'term of ownership', for lack of a better way of putting it. Are the percentages of our ticket holders staying steady with those who always renew or is there a shift which would arguably represent hitting this 'limit' we have often spoke about, where people are choosing not to renew or simply can't renew because of the price.
You'll always have fairweather holders, people who dip in and out during periods of success and failure, that's the nature of the beast at a club like ours with the stadium we have. But the real telling signs there's a problem would be seeing those that have come for 5, 10, 20+ years refusing to renew. So when we talk about losing 5,000 holders after early bird, how many of them are those long-term holders. And if we could, compare that against previous years, both in hard numbers and in percentages of lost holders. Are we seeing a trend towards losing more and more long-term holders or is this just business as usual in that respect.
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12 hours ago, Smogzilla said:
I can't imagine the club will entertain interest in Dieng. There's not a huge amount of cash value in the GK position and it was a problem for us for years. We took advantage of his situation at QPR to get him for a lot cheaper than his true market value. It could cost us at least double what we paid for him to get a player of similar quality as a replacement.
People saying we would do well to double what we paid for him need to think less about what we paid for him and more about what his value is to us, as a club in a position of relative strength financially speaking going into the summer. It's also about who comes in for him. Arsenal, Newcastle, clubs like that are not skint. People will use that against us if we want to replace him so we should 100% use that against whoever wants to buy him and up his value.
If we look at our squad right now, Dieng is arguably the one player who has this season contributed the most consistently good performances. I'd argue he's literally been our best player. And I'd also say considering he was brought in as our #1 and not as a development project like the others, he was always considered a senior player who should be one of our driving forces. Are we happy to sell our best players for £6m when they have 3 years left on their contract? He's a keeper too, even at 29 he's not close to being ancient.
If someone wants him, they have to make it worth our while. £6m is not worth crap to replace one of the only consistent senior performers in our team.
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Palmer would be well within his rights to hope he's in contention, penalties or not he's one of the few players who seems to stand out in the Chelsea team. He's come out of the shadows he was under at City to make his own name for himself within his first season away. A lot of the big money purchases they've brought in have really struggled to stand out both working as an individual and collectively with their teammates but Palmer himself seems to be standing head and shoulders above most of them. Someone like Rashford, who seems to get in the squad regardless of how he plays, seems a good candidate to replace with Palmer. But there are a few good options up there now, with Bowen also looking a worthy pick.
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13 hours ago, gordy1000 said:
Pullis. I can't think of any managers disliked more.
It's a difficult one between the two of them, for me.
Pulis made me more angry than I've ever been at a manager, the wasted opportunity after Monk got all that money and players like Braithwaite, as much as he himself had a heart of a pea, were quality and rubbed out of the picture. The cup games we lost under Pulis, goodness me. The playoff games against Villa, the second leg where we had one effort on goal and it was a free kick and our best player was thwarted by an essentially out-of-position Alan Hutton.
But Wilder gave me the biggest sense of whiplash and essentially gaslit fans after a short period of being unable to commit one way or the other. It just seemed impossible after all the good grace he built up that he showed his true colours within mere months of having the job. It meant after he came out and said he was here for the long haul, I had to believe him, I wanted to believe him, I wanted to believe it was just a slip-up in his character and not entirely representative of who he was and remains to be. All for the sake of a club with little chance of survival at the level we could have got to with a genuinely committed version of him in charge, in the same time frame or shorter than the club he wanted to leave for. By the end, the lack of introspection in everything he did became just as frustrating as anything Pulis or Warnock had ever pulled.
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37 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:
I'd be sorely tempted to play Bangura as LWB and Engel as Left Midfield or vice versa. I think the two of them could link up and cover one another brilliantly.
I'm pretty sure they have played together on a couple of occasions this season, with Bangura further forward and that's the way I'd prefer it if it was to happen again. Think the game Bangura actually got injured in was Chelsea when Engel was LCB and Bangura was LWB.
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Think if Ipswich want anyone, they should be keeping an eye on Luton's situation. Not seen every minute of Luton's season but feels like pretty much every set of highlights, Thomas Kaminski is making save after save to keep them in the fight to stay up. If they go down, I'd be surprised if he didn't have suitors from back in the Prem.
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5 minutes ago, Rob said:
cost him about 12k in fines that sandwich rant so don't think he so keen to slag refs off no more lol
A drop in the ocean for a 'Premier League Manager™', I'm sure.
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11 minutes ago, Blanco said:
I’d love Wilder to be the one on the receiving end of the record premier league hiding. 10-0 or more please 🙏
With 9 games to go, they're only 12 goals off setting the record conceded for a 38-game season ahead of Derby in 2008. Derby got 89, Sheff Utd are on 77.
Then there's the stretch goals of Ipswich Town on 93 and Swindon Town on 100, both in 42-game seasons. It'd be bad enough to top the 38-game list but if they manage to oust either of those 2 it will be truly shocking.
Right now, the worst goals conceded per game in the league across a full season is Swindon's at 2.38 per game. Sheff currently concede 2.66 per game. If they maintain that rate for the rest of the season they would be on 100.9 goals conceded, so a decent chance to match, if not break the record in less games.
I'd be so happy to see it happen and for them to sack him. I don't want him in this division next season but it seems unlikely he's going anywhere, record breaking *** show or not.
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7 hours ago, LinoJo3 said:
Makes them Rotherham games even more annoying, the sheff wed away game where they barely looked like a football team, the Blackburn none event the other week, on the other hand I guess you could say the Leicester wins and the Southampton 4-0 win maybe balance it out?
I was probably saying it myself but it definately makes a mockery of the ‘it’s only August’ comments. But then I guess all of the teams around us will be able to point to results they should have really got.
Either way while it’s gonna be a game by game basis I think it’s a bit defeatist to say our season is over. We’re now above Hull who everybody had down as definate play off challengers and 6 points off 6th, the big thing against us being we’ve played an extra game. We could lose the next 2 and be out of it or win them and be right up there.
Hull have dropped off big time but also have a game in hand on us, as do Coventry and Preston. Preston's I think is Southampton away so who knows what will happen in that one. But I think Hull's game in hand is against Coventry so there's a good chance one of those teams gets a 3-point boost. We also have Leeds, Ipswich and Hull themselves to play in our final 6.
It's not over, we've gone from having people worried about relegation to talking about playoffs again what feels like very quickly and credit to Carrick and the players for that. But I think it's incredibly unlikely. I think looking at the teams in the running, Norwich are probably gonna make it by virtue of their run-in looking a lot kinder than all the other chasing teams. They have Ipswich next but then it's only Preston left to play from a promotion perspective. Sheff Wed and Brum could still need points to survive but Norwich should beat them regardless.
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I mean, we don't appoint just based on experience either and I'd be frustrated if we did.
Vince said if she wanted to put her hat in the ring she would be under consideration. Is it outrageous to suggest that maybe she didn't? I'm not actually sure on that front. She went back to her Academy job after being in interim charge. The same thing happened with Craig Liddle who was put in interim charge before Pulis came in. And there's one thing you can say about both Craig Liddle and Hannah Dingley as a result of those decisions too, they both still have a job at the same club as it stands. Meanwhile, Horseman and Deeney have both been put in the bin by the owner, just like Woodgate, Warnock and Wilder were in Liddle's time.
The song and dance is one thing but the fact is he is the first owner to put a woman in charge of a team in the interim. Big or small, that is a moment in football that happened for the first time, certainly in the UK. And, perhaps more than anything, the whole fuss he helped to create actually seemed to do a good job of highlighting the fact she's been involved in men's football in a coaching capacity for a long period of time and a decent period at the head of what, in recent seasons, has been an EFL academy. We can't know for sure but she seemed to be happy getting that spotlight on her too and made good use of it and fair play to her for doing so if that's what she wanted to do.
Has Vince changed the game in doing what he did there? Probably not. But I don't think he'd be wrong to suggest FGR are ahead of most other teams in giving someone like her a chance as the proof is in the job she already had and continues to have in a men's coaching setup.