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  1. 57 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

    Wheres the list of top class coaches that are lining up to come to us?

    Once upon a time Middlesbrough were perceived as a great gig but our Chairman's decisions over the last 15 years or so put paid to that. Still, that said he did manage to pull, Strachan, Pulis, Warnock etc. so it hardly holds water either way.

    Lets be honest here, the club is looking far and wide to get someone in and are getting turned away,

    We heard that line before a few years back and it ended with the PowerPoint shambles, nobody has a clue how far and wide we looked but if we did you cannot honestly believe that Woodgate was the outstanding candidate yet again surely?

    we can only hire the ones that want to come to us. And unfortunately its people that have a strong connection to the area and we from the outside can only insult the clubs ambition for hiring the ones that want to come to us. 

    I was of the understanding that we interviewed several candidates including Edwards and Corberan to name two. Maybe because our intelligence is being insulted not for the first time with regards to the Club's ambition and Gibson's parochial fixation that their intentions are being "insulted" or as I prefer questioned.

    Its hard to realize real life is completely different to Football Manager or Fifa where all one has to do is make an offer and hire them.

    Much too old to play little boy computer games after many decades in Senior Management and Director roles and therein lies the problem that it's not the teenagers or spotty Students raising eyebrows it's the long term articulate supporters. Judging by social media this evening it seems it's more the young uns who are all up for the new appointments with the splendid naivety that no doubt Gibson was counting on just like he did with his Golden Thread bullshine, we all know how that ended and now we have history repeating itself.
     

    Once upon a time Middlesbrough were perceived as a great gig but our Chairman's decisions over the last 15 years or so put paid to that. Still, that said he did manage to pull, Strachan, Pulis, Warnock etc. so it hardly holds water either way.

    I certainly cant condone everything Gibson has done in the last 15 years, and unfortunately hiring Strachan and Pulis especially in hindsight sets us back massively as an attractive place to manage, the car crashes they left once they were gone are still being felt today. To an extent Gibson acted faster maybe rather harshly in sacking Warnock in fear of repeating those episodes. Ill give him credit for that.

    The era we all crave cant be recreated anymore we cant spend money to bring the likes of Mendietas, Vidukas and Hasslebainks anymore. FPP put an end to that, sadly the only time we were willing to invest we had Gary Monk at the wheel enough said,

     

    We heard that line before a few years back and it ended with the PowerPoint shambles, nobody has a clue how far and wide we looked but if we did you cannot honestly believe that Woodgate was the outstanding candidate yet again surely?

    Taking the woodgate name/bias out of the statement, who is available that shares his CV that can be his equal? And most important is willing to join us? Cause we are on the outside and we can speculate all we want on whats going on indoors but Gibson wont be making decisions without purpose or just to spite the fan base he isnt the Allams. 

     

    I was of the understanding that we interviewed several candidates including Edwards and Corberan to name two. Maybe because our intelligence is being insulted not for the first time with regards to the Club's ambition and Gibson's parochial fixation that their intentions are being "insulted" or as I prefer questioned.

    Both of those names got the sack for the right or wrong reasons at their respective clubs, Maybe there were things that we dont know that didnt add up to the club during the interviews or you maybe right, who knows, only the club know but they decided not to go with them, and As an outsider I have to respect they have the clubs best interest in mind and have gone with Carrick. Only time will tell.

     

    Much too old to play little boy computer games after many decades in Senior Management and Director roles and therein lies the problem that it's not the teenagers or spotty Students raising eyebrows it's the long term articulate supporters. Judging by social media this evening it seems it's more the young uns who are all up for the new appointments with the splendid naivety that no doubt Gibson was counting on just like he did with his Golden Thread bullshine, we all know how that ended and now we have history repeating itself.

     

    We are all entitled to our own opinions, I can see where you are coming from and I respect your stance. I just hope we pull together collectively and give this new management team its chance before dismissing it even before a ball is kicked is all. Like it or not we are in for one hell of a ride going forward.

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  2. 1 minute ago, boksicdink said:

    So rather than trying to find the next world class one for example, we just go back to Woodgate? There isn't literally another coach out there that wanted to join Boro - come on. 

    You make it sound like we are trying to get someone to move to Mongolia to coach. 

     

    Just look at our history mate, Just look at all the coaches that have turned us down in the last two weeks, if we are as fashionable as you would claim then we' wouldnt be having this arguement.

    The club are trying their best to get people in unfortunately for whatever reason they'd rather stay where they are or go somewhere else. 

    For gods sake man Alex bloody Bruce turned us down.

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  3. 9 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

    What's any of this got to due with the fact that we couldnt extend our backroom staff search past The Cross Keys on a Tuesday night?

     

    Wheres the list of top class coaches that are lining up to come to us?

    Lets be honest here, the club is looking far and wide to get someone in and are getting turned away, we can only hire the ones that want to come to us. And unfortunately its people that have a strong connection to the area and we from the outside can only insult the clubs ambition for hiring the ones that want to come to us. 

    Its hard to realize real life is completely different to Football Manager or Fifa where all one has to do is make an offer and hire them.

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  4. Honestly the amount of vile and raw hate towards Woodgate is starting to look almost comical at this point. Im sure everyone has their personal reasons to hate the guy but damn man.......this is bordering on the Ridiculous at this point.

     

    Gibson appointed a well respected coach to repair the car-crash 6 defenders pass it to Adama motherfucker called Tony Pulis that sonofabitch shouldnt even be allowed near a football let alone manage a sunday league football team, and Woodgates remit was to initially transition us into an acutal football team while getting the bare minimum support via incomings and change the ethos of the club from long ball merchants to a decent football playing team.

     

    Would it be a diffult task???
    offcourse look at all the teams that Pulis left and how long it took them to erase his god awful stench but I suppose Woodgate only ever needed 4 games to change everything, cause we have long list of Champions League capable Managers/coaches that are dieing to manage our great club. And we did Woodgate a massive favor by giving him the job. And we should now trash the poor guy at every opportunity after all everyone on here is a premier league manager in waiting.

    Everyone likes to have a bit of a moan after all we support Boro who never ever do things simple anyway but we shouldnt forget where we stand in reality.

    We are a club who without Gibson wont even have the chance to compete at any level.

    We dont have a PIF that will entice players with massive wages  that would rather move to london then come to the northeast.

    We need to be realistic we arent popular, we arent bankrolled by dictators looking to sport wash their blood stains, we dont have a right to claim we win every week.

    We have always created magic by staying within our means, we persavere to aim higher then our supposed station.

    Lets give the new team a chance, lets hope we stick with them not only when we are doing well but when we are at our worst, lets just enjoy being able to watch a football team that we can call our own. 

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  5. Its hilarious as fans of this club all we really want is a Football Team we can get behind.

    An identity we can rally around.

    A Structure we can understand and sympatize with.

    A Manager who loves the club and we can stand with.

    Players that bleed for the shirt regardless of the results.

    And an owner that makes this all happen and continues to evolve this harmony.

    I donno maybe Im a dreamer....maybe its a ridiculous pipe dream....maybe Im just asking for the impossible.

     

    A Humble Fan of the Boro.

  6. 50 minutes ago, Bruce said:

    I don't think there's anything magic about this. The players have lost confidence in the manager, system, clu and each other. It's not divided like it was under Karanka in the Premier league but it could go that way. Leo, to his credit, has tried to nurse them along with minimal changes until the new man comes in but it hasn't worked. He might as well say fork it and play the team and formation he would play if he were in charge permanently. It may go all Steve Agnew on us but he may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

    The answer isn't in a new system, it's a new manager that the players can believe in. The new manager may well play a new system but the only real issue is that the players feel like the change will work.  

    Carrick with the right experienced support could work because the players will mostly remember him as a really good player.

    Edwards might be underwhelming to the players because his track record is not great and he got sacked from Watford.

    Corberan would probably work because he did well at Huddersfield.

    Someone like Wolf (my preference) might fail disastrously if he's seen as some sort of German Ted Lasso. 

    Sadly, when players are this shell-shocked you need the immediate sugar rush of a Warnock like figure to inspire belief.  right now, we are exactly copying Sunderland's relegation to League 1.

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    We sacked Wilder a few games earlier but like them, we have an interim coach for a few games. After 14 games we have 13 points (they had 9). They brought in Chris Coleman and it almost worked at first until results fell off a cliff in January. If you watch Sunderland 'til I die, you see the players just switch off from him.

    We're nowhere near the basket case that Sunderland were then. We have got rid of most of the toxic, overpaid players but if we get this wrong then we will be relegated. 

    Look on the brightside, if we do go down to League 1, we might have our own Football fly on the wall Netflix documentary.

    "Under The Bridge - The Middlesbrough Story"

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  7. Whos going to replace him?

    Billionaires arent interested anymore, well maybe the Americans then again would you trade the current mess for a Glazier type mess?

    The Chinese money men are done impressing their overlord Xi, since he doesnt care about football anymore, so thats out.

    Russians are out of the question.

    That leaves a Raddcliff type who wont even bother with a club such as ours.

    Who are the rest?? Realistically we are stuck with the Devil we know.

    Thats unless one of us fans suddenly has a spare billion under the mattress.....,😋

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  8. Alot of people are getting massively upset by people giving out info claiming they are iTK.

    Maybe Im just too thick but I fail to see why everyones getting worked up over their statement/claims. We all know all this unoffical claims to an extent has to be taken with a grain of salt. Cause if someone is definately ITK he/she would never really share that info, considering if what they know is true, they would rather just keep that info for themselves then risk gossiping about it on a public fan forum.

    The ITK posts are really fun to look at as a different opionion to what we normally have. For in the end only the Club know who they will appoint and their reasoning behind said Appointment. They may or may never share it with us but we're used to that by now.

    We could all just enjoy this rather depressing  wait for another permanent manager whilst having a bit of fun and imagination thrown into the mix.

  9. I've always supported Wilder, but I need to hold my hands up and Apologize.

    Its not that he played the team he did against Champions League Hopefuls Coventry but He is smarter than all of this, I get the feeling hes just doubling down on this bul ls hite hoping to get the sack.

    Jesus man, why cant this club do anything right??? Its been downhill ever since we reached the Uefa Cup final. 

    Maybe in 10 years time, when we play in League 2 we can finally begin to build something for the long term.

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  10. I must say Im cautiously nervous with this game. So many factors and different factions come into play with this one, and their relative support will only increase, irrespective of if we Win, Lose or Draw.

    Even though we couldnt have picked a better opposition (a team Rock Bottom at the time of viewing and firmly deviod of any current winning mentality) it would be just Typical Boro for them to turn up on the weekend and play us off the park and then subsequently return to being pedestrian again.

     

    This season too many teams just seem to show up against us then deflate into nothing the very next game. I.e, Watford, Hudderfield, etc,

     

    All the half glass empty attitute aside though, cant wait for us to get a result and slowly build upon it,

    Well till this pointless world-cup starts in the middle of winter on a desert in a country with freedoms and laws that would make East Berlin look like a Hawaiian Resort. 

    Sincerely hope CW plays two upfront and commits to his attacking principals.

    Predicting a 1-0 to the Boro.

     

     

  11. 4 minutes ago, NorwichBoro said:

     

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    The odds are from an article in the Gazzette.

    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chris-wilder-taking-middlesbrough-training-25105949

    Chris Wilder taking Middlesbrough training as odds slashed on vacant Bournemouth role

    Bournemouth are searching for a new manager after sacking Scott Parker

     

    Chris Wilder is taking Middlesbrough training as planned on Monday morning, amid speculation over a move to Bournemouth which has prompted bookies' odds to be slashed.

    The Premier League outfit are looking for a new manager after sacking Scott Parker earlier this month, with former Boro midfielder Gary O'Neil currently in interim charge. But Wilder moved from as wide as 8-1 to get the Cherries job over the weekend to a best price of 1-3 as of Monday morning, making him a heavy odds-on favourite.

    O'Neil had been heavily favoured to land the job too, until Monday morning when Boro boss Wilder suddenly leapt well ahead in the odds. The 39-year-old has expressed his interest in taking the role permanently after four points from his two games in charge earned him a nomination for the September Manager of the Month award.

    The change in the bookies' markets follows plenty of online speculation over the weekend with regards to Wilder and the vacant post at Bournemouth. But Wilder was back in training with the Boro players on Monday morning as preparations are dialled up this week for Saturday's trip to Coventry City. It is understood that at this time the club have received no approach for Wilder's services, but that's not to say that can't or won't change.

    Reports on the Bournemouth end have since reported that Wilder is not under consideration at Bournemouth, suggesting, as betting markets often can be, the movement is just influenced by a flurry of bets, with markets volatile in that way.

     

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  12. CWs odds for taking the Bournemouth job have been slashed to 1-3, I don't live in England so I'm not sure how acurate these figures translate into real life.

     

    Regardless, If he does indeed go, then I guess everyone kinda gets what they want. CW can save face and leave to take over a premier league club and we can halt our dire bad run with fresh sets of eyes.

    My recommendation for replacing him would be Kjetil Knutsen,

    he's a long shot but if we can manage to get him. It would finally function towards having a first team that works well with the current recruitment model and also integrate the acedemy for an easier path into the squad. While playing some good Football along the way.

  13. 2 hours ago, RiseAgainst said:

    Really? Since March, I've observed the exact opposite.

    I share your frustrations too maybe more than I care to admit it, but removing all speculation away, and given our lack of Marquee signings we can realistically only start the clock on judging CW and his current squad from the end of our current window, that makes it barely a month of training with the current crop of players and drilling in the philosophy that can take us forward as a team. 

     

    Lets not kid ourselves we arent Chelsea, we cant afford to chop and change managers and hope to get immidiate results, we tried that since Monk was sent away, what did that accomplish?

    Years of almost making it to the Top and doom/despair right after.

    Is CW the ideal manager for us? Maybe not, but beggars cant be chosers. We need to make the best of a bad situation. Cause the alternative is sacking him and letting another journeyman manager rip things apart, fail, then start this awful cycle again.

    Supporting Boro over the years has taught me to always look at the brightside of life.....even if its a tiny ray of light in an otherwise Dark cave.

  14. Everyone posting on this matter and their points all sides of the spectrum are hard to argue with, Im not going to lie all sides of debate have made compelling cases on whats gone wrong this season and to an extent the cracks that started to appear ever since we decided to appoint Monk owning to a system then sacking him and reinventing/improvising since.

    Personally I have always been indifferent to Boro managers since Stracken ripped my soul out, nothing against the fella he might be a real nice bloke. But he killed the wide eyed positive kid in me that got excited evertime Boro went onto the pitch. In his short time as manager he managed to suck out all the joy of why I enjoyed watching football, and worst still all that soul sapping anti-football tactics/recruitment and all brought no results.

     

    I am still not entirely convinced with CW, but his football for the majority of the time has been exciting and we seem to be a few corners away from being a real team.

    As with many on here we can speculate till the cows come home on our recruitment dept and their work or lack of it that hasnt improved since Id care to remember. The dynamics bwt the recruitment team and CW has an obvious disconnect. The window is closed and we have to live with the players we have.

    There isnt a magic wand thats going to turn us into the Nottingham Forest of last year.

    CW is a willy ol fox. We need to stick with him, we might need a lucky deflection or a better rub of the green to start a run of positive results. But we will improve, with every training session the current players will only get better and impliment the system more fluidly and with more confidence.

     

    We played some sublime stuff in patches since CW came in. Love him or hate him its hard to argue that he isnt a proper football manager, who wants to play the game the correct way. We just need a few things to click and come together. 

    Hes our best shot, there arent any realistic managers we can replace him with, lets be honest.

    I just hope we dont hire another Pulis/Stracken/Warnock and sleep walk our way to nowhere then rinse and repeat the agony. 


    The night is always darkest before Dawn.

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  15. 1 hour ago, D.Z. said:

    Bryan Robson worked for years under arguably the greatest manager in modern football, Sir Alex Ferguson.

    Aitor Karanka worked for many years under Jose Mourinho.

    Jonathan Woodgate has worked under.....Tony Pulis.

    You simply can't compare them in my eyes.

    All those managers at the end of their tenures had fans openly calling for their heads. None of that solid reputation did anything to help them out at that juncture.

    JW was at Boro when Pulis was appointed by SG, he had no say, but I reckon it's still his fault he should have been giving pressers berating the manager that way we know for sure he was not tainted by Pulisball.

     

  16. SJ is not who we are talking about. Everyone agrees He is our 1st choice. It's the others I am referring too.

     

    But I rest my defense on JW, I reckon we can never change what can't be changed. Maybe we can get the manager we deserve or maybe we will be having these same discussions next year once we fall out of love of either Grayson, Hughton, or whoever shacks up here. I mean as Boro fans when the *** has anything ever been simple.

     

    P.S - Would love to have MA from City but he's out of our league besides he might want to succeed PG at the City of Manchester Stadium rather then work in the championship.

  17. 5 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

    He played with some top players but so do a hell of a lot of managers these days. The majority of managers he played for are not in the game at a significant level anymore. I just dont see where he will give us any kind of advantage in recruitment.

    I find it odd we seem to disqualify JW's football achievements as no big deal yet in the same breath We talk up all the alternative's less than impressive Football achievements as the best case for getting the Job.

  18. 19 minutes ago, Snowblind said:

    @RonBoro He has little/none. As a football manager, or even as an assistant/coach. And what he does have in terms of those roles is under managers I don't see as being worthy educators for what we need. He's also not the most intelligent lad in the world...

    You may look at it purely as a footballing decision where morals don't matter. But, for me, morality is important in all decisions in life.

    I humbly disagree with your view on his Football acumen. He has never been given the chance to prove himself so we can speculate on how he would get on till the cows come home. I have never met nor had the pleasure of interacting with the bloke personally so I'll save my opinion until that happens.

    On the football side of things, Ideally to quell the doubts I'd have him manage the U-23s and have SJ as manager, and after a few good seasons when SJ gets picked up for a JoB/Payoff at Chelsea, we'd have an organic transition of our youth coach to head coach and help bed in the prospects from the Academy to the first team.

    But if SJ doesn't end up coming I wouldn't mind sucking it up for a season or two till JW finds his feet and then challenge for promotion.

    Screw getting promoted to the PL if we don't have an identity, then defend and bore the *** outta the world till we get relegated......I'm tired of this weak rinse and repeat identity of dredging the bottom to stay afloat.
     

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  19. 1 minute ago, D.Z. said:

    He's never managed a football club before, he was also part of the coaching team that was such a *** disaster this season.

    Enough of a reason for you?

    We are Boro!!!!!!!!

    besides the disasters of Strachan and Pulis we have always appointed managers with no previous experience, and it didnt work out too badly for an un fashionable little club in the Northeast.

    Correct me if I am wrong, JW was at Boro way before Pulisball shacked up, and if I read my news correctly everyone that was apart of Pulis's backroom staff have been let go, even CF left cause Pulis brought him in.

    We are still trying to tie the JW we think we know from gossip of his personal life to the JW Football Manager who coaches and wants to represent his boy hood club  (Could this hate stem from him representing Leeds ...…I'm struggling to see what you guys are seeing)

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  20. 35 minutes ago, Snowblind said:

    @RonBoro- It's not just getting 11 guys to kick a ball around though, is it? It's man management, levels of discipline, dealing with the psychology of the job and of your players, it's being a role model to the young players coming through both on and off the pitch, it's uniting those players to create a desire to work hard for one another, create a never-say-die attitude and want to win for one another.

    That's what separates the top managers from the rest. Look at the successes of managers like Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche - Jürgen Klopp at the top end of things. They all unite their squads. From what some people know about Woody, he'd not be keeping that company in his character.

    Look how the fans reacted to Pulis' arrogance. Character is a massive trait in a successful football manager, like it or not. It's not simply about getting 11 guys to kick a football about. Otherwise, we might as well hire Colin Cheng to be the next Boro Boss...

    I concur with almost everything you are saying mate, maybe even 10-15 years ago(Pre-Social Media where everyone has an opinion) we'd all let the Dyches and Howes prove themselves on the field before the ball is kicked.

    Just bemused on how much hate this guy is getting just because he may or may not be the person we want him to be in his personal life. I would love to hear why he isnt qualified for the job based on his FOOTBALL history .

  21. Just now, D.Z. said:

    You can often tell the character of a person by the company he chooses to keep.

    I don't want to sound disrespectful, but I don't want JW to have a beer with me and be an all around good bloke. Just want him to coach and play football.

    Who am I to Judge his personal life, friend circle or what he does or doesn't do in his personal life, I haven't even build an orphanage for lost ants yet neither have I earned the right to drive in the stakes based on heresay.

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