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  1. 12 minutes ago, AnglianRed said:

    Perfectly illustrates how insane the game has become.

    Players no longer satisfied with just earning a good wage...they have to have all manner of bonuses thrown in. Performance bonuses, fair enough (if you do really well, you deserve a bit extra)...but there is often so much extra nonsense.

    I mean seriously...a fee just for putting your name to a contract...WTF?

    In this example, the transfer fee, wages & agent's fee look reasonable enough, but we've all heard about the grotesquely inflated figures for top players.

    The signing on fee and especially the image rights are to do with tax "management".  The image rights example no longer works - see Glasgow Rangers court case.  Image rights are probably relevant for players like Messi and Ronaldo, but how much would Grant Hall make from it for instance...

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  2. 6 minutes ago, BoroSmoggie said:

    Is Kevin Stewart actually any good though? It’s all good saying he will do the job in the holding role and be the player Clayton was etc. but just because he plays in that position, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s good at it? 
    Considering he’s a free agent, I’m surprised more teams aren’t after him?

    Just thinking out loud, he could be a good player for all I know.

    Second highest number of tackles last season


    Highest number of fouls.


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  3. 9 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

    Says who and what is the evidence for this?  It's just people, like you, saying it without any justification as far as I can see.  This is a list of the players we've signed in the last 5 years.  First list is permanent transfers only, second is loan signings.

    Baptiste, Downing, Stuani, Nugent, de Pena, Rhodes, de Sart, de Roon, Ramirez, Traore, Valdes, Guzan, Fischer, Barragan, Fabio, Espinosa, Gestede, Bamford, Guedioura, Assombalonga, Braithwaite, Fletcher, Howson, Randolph, Shotton, Christie, Johnson, Wing (Non League), Miller, Armstrong (Non league), Flint, Saville, McNair, Lonergan, Mikel, Dijksteel, Bola, Browne, Stojanovic, Mejias.

    That's 40 permanent signings in 5 years.

    Kike Sola, Amorebieta, Stephens, Ramirez, De Laet, Zuculini, Fabbrini, Agazzi, Chambers, Negredo, Roberts, Baker, Harrison, Besic, Cranie, Van La Parra, Batth, McQueen, Hugill, Roberts, Nmecha, Makoudi, Morrison.

    That's 23 loan signings in 5 years.

    So we've signed 62 players (Ramirez is in twice) total in 5 years with 40 of them being permanent.  As far as I can tell, the only players who come from this area are Downing, Wing, Armstrong and Hugill.  About half of them aren't even British.  And it's also worth considering that part of this period is when we were cutting costs and not splashing out much on new signings but we've still averaged 8 permanent signings per season and nearly 5 loan signings as well.  That's nearly 13 signings a year!  However, we can't attract players?  

    Our issue hasn't been a failure to attract players.  Go through those lists and it's quite clear, to me at least, that our issue has been signing players who weren't up to it or players who were a poor fit for us.  This happened both with and without finances, whether the club was on the up or down and even when we were a Premier League club.  We didn't have to sign these players, they weren't the only options for us, we chose to sign them and in a lot of cases we messed up.  Some signings were ok, some not so good and some screwed us over (like Ramirez).  I just don't see an inability to attract players.  We clearly aren't going to compete with bigger clubs than us, Premier League clubs, clubs with greater resources etc, but that's par for the course.  Lyle Taylor didn't join Forest ahead of us because he's always wanted to live in Nottingham, they offered him the best deal and he took it.  Moore went to Cardiff for the Welsh reasons.  As for Hall coming here, it probably had something to do with Warnock, but I will say it's an absolute certainty that we offered him more money than QPR did so he chose the best contract.  Most footballers do at the end of the day, whatever reasons they give publicly for joining a club.


    Why can't I like this twice?

  4. 11 hours ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

    I was purely talking from an entertainment point of view, I do rate him. 2 assists and 1 goal isn't amazing either but I don't think we saw the best of him fitness wise,

    He only played 6 games according to Wiki.  2 assists and 1 goal in 6 games.  Across a whole season that's 15 assists and 8 goals.  I doubt he would manage a whole season, but still...

  5. 1 hour ago, thomas said:

    I think we need both one holding midfielder and one midfielder who can get forward score goals (unless this summer Warnock can work his magic on Wing and get him back to the level of his first season). 

    Savile scored 10 in 44 in 17/18 - so he could be the box-to-box goal scoring midfielder we need if played correctly.

    McNair scored 5 in 16 in 17/18 - so he could also be the goalscoring midfielder we need if played correctly.

    What we don't have is the Championship Kante - someone who destroys and sits in front of the defence.  

    What we absolutely need are wingers, preferably with pace, preferably wingers who both score and assist - Murphy would be an excellent start.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, LewisBoroPalfrey said:

    Just me or is the "spine" the least of our worries unless he just means CB, only need 1 DM imo 

    Agreed, we probably need another CB and DCM, then we need 2 wingers capable of scoring and/or assisting 10+ goals a season.  Murphy would be a start - then one more like him.  I'm not a fan of Britt, but he and Fletcher are okay at this level.  I'd be happy for us to give the current fullbacks a go under Warnock, but as he tried for a left-back [from Celtic] it seems Bola won't be given a chance.

  7. 8 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

    Yeah, I don't think anyone should be operating under the expectation COVID is gonna go away. Its impact is gonna be with us for a while, I suspect.

    As a bit of an aside, I don't think it looks good when clubs like Arsenal come out and ask players to take pay-cuts from astronomical wages and some of them refuse in the way Ozil did, complaining that it was too short notice and not very well thought out.

    Well quite a lot of people are getting made redundant on short notice, including Arsenal staff, some of whom could still be in jobs with the extra money saved from his huge contract. It's not an ideal situation, it's not fair to anyone including players to say they should take cuts but Ozil can afford to lose a few quid, some people can't. Kudos to the players everywhere who accepted those pay-cuts and to the clubs who used that extra money to keep club staff in jobs. I know Arsenal still had to cut some jobs too and perhaps that was inevitable but maybe some more of those could have been kept safe if some players looked beyond themselves. It's scary looking at the way everywhere is cutting jobs and thinking about all the people who are now going to be scrapping for what remains.

    Obviously this isn't the right thread for this sort of discussion, but the idea of Ozil just sitting there draining the club of resources whilst not playing makes me wonder once again why we have transfer fees.  I can't think of another industry that does this, if an accountant wanted to move from PWC to Deloitte's he'd just hand in his notice.  Why are footballers assets?  To stop them moving during the season you could just say that a player cannot play for more than x teams a season [which we already have I believe].  If there were no transfer fees and the ridiculous contracts that go hand in hand with them, Arsenal could have released Ozil and saved the jobs of lots of backroom staff.  Possibly.

    Anyway, back to transfers...

  8. 1 minute ago, tmcc said:

    Just been looking at this Kevin Stewart player were in for, does anyone know much about him? because his stats and career dont exactly fill me with confidence. 

    Only played 101 league games and he turns 27 in September. never played more than 27 games in a season, only played over 10 games  3 times..is he prone to injury?  Also he was defensive mid for the worst defence in the league.

    Somebody who knows abit more about him please give me the low down.




  9. 9 minutes ago, ManBearPig said:

    Not blown away with the Stewart link, it has a Paddy McNair relegated with Sunderland and is available vibe to it. 

    The problem I have is I’m not sure if it’s Warnock identifying the players, in which case I’d feel more positive. Or if it’s the recruitment team identifying the players who we can get and saying, take him or leave him. 

    I think a lot of the uncertainty with transfers comes from the lack of success from the recruitment team from previous deals. I always feel like we get a player because they’re available rather than identifying them to fit a gap in the team for role X in a certain system. 

    Does anyone else feel like that or is it just me and my 3 drinks in ramblings?


    Liverpool keep buying players from relegated teams.  It is possible to get good players from bad teams.

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