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  1. :D come on, at that level. its nothing like that is it. i think we see more chance of getting a player with a better attitude from lower leagues/none league. its pointless keeping top coaches for the kids if they are more interested in fifa. get these rough diamonds in and polish them up. talent is nothing without the right attitude to go with it.
  2. Boro line up Pears, Convery, McGoldrick, Renton, Coulson (Cook), J Wilson (Reading), Jowers (Lambert), Liddle, Tavernier, Curry (J. Wilson), Hetherington (O'Neill). Unused: James (GK), Guru, Holdsworth.
  3. Boro came from 0-2 down to win 4-2! Mitchell Curry with his 26th and 27th this season. Ben Liddle with a brace as well Images can be found Here
  4. Middlesbrough Squad. Pears, James. Cook, Convery, Renton, Reading, McGoldrick, Guru, O'Neill, Liddle, Tavernier, Holdsworth, Lambert, Matty Wilson, Jay Wilson, Curry, Jowers, Heatherington. Coulson registered did not travel.
  5. Middlesbrough played Thornaby in the North Riding Senior Cup semi-final after the pitch was given a check and mark of approval by the FA after heavy downpours on Wednesday. Thornaby have a few Middlesbrough links, they’re managed by Paul Edwards whose two sons came through the Academy system, Kieran a former England U16 captains the Thornaby side and Curtis plays in Sweden now. Former Boro academy players Rocky Andrews and Theo Furness were also selected whilst Nathan Porritt and Jason Honeyman have made appearances for the side early in the season. The pitch despite being passed fit was very heavy and cut up easily making it a tough game for a Boro side more used to the flat pitches at Rockliffe but they equipped themselves well considering. Boro started quickly and young Austria forward Arnel Jakupovic found Callum Cooke with a long cross field pass but Cooke’s shot was blocked. It was all Boro early on and Brazilian Joao Morelli was the next to have a chance, he latched onto a loose ball on the edge of the Thornaby box before driving a low shot which Thornaby Keeper Michael Duff was equal to. Morelli was the right man in the right spot moments later, the ball; was worked left to the overlapping Nathan McGinley who fired a low cross just past the stretching Duff and Morelli was there at the back post to stab the ball home! GOAL BORO! – 0-1 Morelli It could have been 2-0 moments later when Morelli played in Jakupovic, he was in the 18 yard box on the right side with the keeper coming out to meet him, the forward played a deft dink over the keeper whom just got a hand to it to keep it out. Next the advancing Callum Johnson cut into the box on the right and he squared it to Jordan Jowers who turned well and fired a shot low towards the Thornaby goal only to see Duff keep it out with his legs. At the other end Thornaby had a good attack and were unlucky not to be awarded a corner. Richard Walker played a delightful right to left ball and found Stephen Morrison, the full back took down the ball well and hot a low shot across Coddington in the Boro goal, the young keeper seemed to get a palm to it which just took it away from Gary Mitchell on the far post but the referee signalled for a goal kick. Boro did double their lead just after the 20 minute mark, Callum Johnson crossed to Jakupovic whose shot was saved by Duff but Morelli was there to tap home despite to protestations of the home side for offside. GOAL BORO – 0-2 Morelli. The young Brazilian who is at Boro as part of the link up with Juninho’s side Ituano could have completed his hat trick in the first half hour, Joe Wheatley won the ball through a superb tackle and Boro broke, Alex Pattison floated a ball over to Morelli who found himself one on one with Duff but could only blast the ball into the side netting. Thornaby were next to attack, a ball swung from right to left found Bligh whose shot across goal was tapped in at the back post by Grant Mitchell. GOAL THORNABY – 1-2 Mitchell Boro were straight back into it, and with the half coming to an end nearly added another, Joe Wheatley fierce in the tackle got the ball wide to Johnson, he left it though for Morelli who crossed low finding Pattison but he pulled his shot wide. The next chance was started at the back, Boro man mountain Matthew Elsdon flighted a ball forward towards Jakupovic, he was beaten in the air but the ball landed centrally and after a touch Morelli hit the bouncing ball into the bottom corner of Duff’s goal! What a strike to get your hat trick! GOAL BORO – 1-3 Morelli (Hat Trick) Boro broke from the next Thornaby attack, Morelli had the ball with two men to his right and one left, he chose left and McGinley pulled the ball across goal and out for a goal kick. With the last chance of the half Jakupovic beat duff at his near post but saw the ball rebound away safely. Half Time Thornaby 1 Middlesbrough 3 The second half kicked off and it was straight into the action for Boro, within a minute of the restart Morelli struck a low hopeful shot from 18 yards, Duff who had been excellent all night will be disappointed as the ball snuck under him into the net. GOAL BORO – 1-4 Morelli It was all Boro for the next few moments, Jakupovic went round Duff but saw his shot cleared off the line and in the action afterwards Pattison hit one just wide. Boro Sub – Cooke off, McAloon on. Jakupovic off, Jones on. Thornaby Sub – Bligh off, Furness on. Ruddy off, Butterworth on. Thornaby Sub – Walker off, Rowe on. Boro Sub – Pattison off, Kitching on. Jones was straight into the action tormenting the Thornaby right back with his pace and directness. Morelli could have had a 5th but after a great Jones run and cross Duff got a fingertip to it and knocked it off the head of the Brazilian who would have had a simple header from half a yard out! It was from a move on the Boro left where Kitching found himself with the ball in the box, he turned in, then out and back in before hitting a low shot past Duff at his near post! GOAL BORO – 1-5 Kitching. Kitching had a late free kick well saved and Theo Furness went down under minimal contact late on in the Boro box but the referee waves away the appeals for a penalty. Full time Thornaby 1 (Mitchell) Middlesbrough 5 (Morelli 4, Kitching)
  6. Middlesbrough U19s play Queretaro on Sunday March 20th and Fluminense on Monday 21st Its a large prestigious competition and its Boro's first time there http://www.dallascup.com/home/893242.html Hearing the side will be different from the U19s that played in the UEFA youth League though which is a big shame.
  7. I'm not sure where yourself and others get the idea that the old reserve league was full of 'better players' or as others think it was full of 'experienced professionals' it wasnt. Look back 5 years in the Boro reserves/U21s youth forum on this website. I did a few reports back then. Boro vs S***horpe - Ripley, Pilatos, Oliver, Hines, Reach, Luke Williams, Smallwood, Thomson, Fowler, Halliday, Main, Subs Brobbel, Atkinson, Jackson, Wyke, Coddington. Only really experienced professional in the Boro line up was Thomson. S***horpe had a very young side that night. Looking at the other games in that time Boro played young sides as did the opponents. Its not much different now over age players can play and do often play for all sides especially when coming back from injury or when not fancied by the manager (but often loans get them out before reserve football is used) The last side i remember at reserve level playing a fair few first team squad players was hartlepool against us and they whooped us on a cold, wet windy night.
  8. They probably have not because the class of 92 are a one off once in a lifetime group. But they have it right they have had a academy grown player in their match day side every game for the last 3000+ i believe
  9. Wilson Kneeshaw was released and went to romania, came back signed for Darlington and recently for Blyth where he scored 5 in a game. Bruno Pilatos has run in after run in after run in with the club, and seemed to have got it all behind him and was playing really well for the club at right back. Dont know what happened but he was released during the season a few years back. Ended up in the northern league like so many do.
  10. We have some who do that but its slowed down over the last few years for sure. Going from our Golden generation to now....so the last what 15 years? (Gibsons year was the best year in a long long time and that shows. 2001-02 Andrew Davies – Ross County Chris Brunt – WBA Ross Turnbull – Leeds Danny Graham – Sunderland (Blackburn) Niklas Nordgren – Sölvesborgs Paul Harvey – Jonathan Cooper – Andrew O'Shea – Allan Neill – Alan Harrison ¬– 2002-03 Anthony Peacock – Spennymoor James Morrison – WBA Andrew Taylor – Wigan Tony McMahon – Bradford Gary Liddle – Chesterfield Tom Orchard – Peter Masters - Michele Van Geele – 2003-04 Jason Kennedy – Carlisle Tom Craddock – Guiseley David Knight – West Auckland Dale Roberts – RIP Danny Reed – Retired Nathan Mulligan – Whitby Adam Johnson - Firmly established himself in the Middlesbrough 1st team in 2009/10. Represented England at U19 and U21 level. One of the Champioships hottest propects, he finally moved to Premier League side Manchester City in January 2010 for an undisclosed fee, rumoured to be in the region of £7m. Matthew Bates – Hartlepool David Wheater – Bolton 2004-05 Kevin Burgess – Darlington Chris Pennock – Coach at MFC Adam Clough – Christophe Lemaire – Lee Cattermole – Sunderland Rhys Williams – MFC Ben Hutchinson – Basford FC Herold Goulon – FC Viitorul Graeme Owens - Retired Jonathan Grounds – Oldham Seb Hines – Orlando SC 2005-06 Richard Langthorne – Stephen Thompson – Darlington Peter Watling – Whitley bay Jason Honeyman – Thornaby Daryl Robson – Brentwood town Nathan Fisher –Spennymoor Josh Walker – Bengaluru FC John Johnson – Bengaluru FC 2006-07 Lewis McCardle – Lewis Smith – David Hillerby – Billingham Synners Matthew Atkinson – USA? Nathan Porritt – Thornaby Jonathan Franks – Ross County Shaun Saiko – Retired Jason Steele – Blackburn Joe Bennett – Aston Villa (Sheff Wed) 2007-08 Theo Furness – Thornaby Jason White – Wearside League? Ryan Burton – Nathan Bonar – Stokesley Sam Filler - Raynes Park Vale FC? Johnny Harris – Richard Smallwood – Rotherham James Cronesberry – Gary Martin – Iceland Jordan Robinson – Sweden Ashley Corker – Australia 2008-09 Keiran Edwards – Northern LEague Derrick Bassi - James Gray - Wrexham Daniel Hawkins – Northern League Kyle Oliver – northern league Patrick Otte – NASL2 Cameron Park – Northern League Oniforos Rouchias - Omonia Conor Sellars - Tadcaster Albion Phil Shead – Coach MFC Paul Weldon – Northern League 2009-10 Andreou Marinos - Onisilos Sotira David Atkinson - Carlisle Ryan Brobbel - TNS Matthew Dolan - Yeovil Ben Gibson - Boro Conor Murphy - Bohemans Bruno Pilatos – Northern League Adam Smith - Northampton Connor Ripley - Boro Luke Williams - S***horpe Charlie Wyke - Carlisle Adam Reach - Boro 2010-11 Michael Roberts Lewis Galpin – Northern League Adam Jackson - Boro Curtis Edwards - Sweden Jarrett Rivers - Blackpool Lewis Sirrell - Colwyn Bay FC? Matthew Waters - Whitby Wilson Kneeshaw - Blyth Jake Fowler – Northern LEague James Montgomery – AFC Telford Jake McCormick 2011-12 Luke Coddington – To be released Andre Bennett - Boro Anthony Hernandez - Gibraltar Shane Bland - Whitby Keiran Weledji - Whitby Lewis Maloney - Boro Jordan Jones - Boro Zak Boagey - Aycliffe Jimmy Warnett Adam Garrity Dylan McGlade - Shelbourne 2012-13 Bryn Morris Boro Bradley Fewster Boro Priestly Griffiths spennymoor Mark Kitching (Pro 2016 with 1 year option) Ross McNabb northern league Joe Fryer Boro Jonathan Coleby northern league/USA? Thomas MacAloon Luke Armstrong Scotland Stephen O'Neil Australia Conor O'Neil Australia Scott McCarthy Northern LEague Robbie Tinkler Boro 2013-14 Callum Cooke Matty Elsdon Dael Fry Jonathan Helm - Guisborough Callum Johnson Jordan Jowers Nathan McGinley Junior Mondal (otherwise known as Lewis Scoble) Nathan Plews – Northern League? Joe Wheatley
  11. But is having them out on loan a sign that the academy is working? What if everyone of those loaned out drop out of professional football? Short term picture doesnt always reflect the longer term one. Even if you count those with a contract it's quite high If playing for your first team is the measure then man city. ***nal. Liverpool. Chelsea etc have all got failed academies I go off the quote i posted on the last page for what my measure is. PLaying forst team football at a specific club is not the measure.
  12. But is having them out on loan a sign that the academy is working? What if everyone of those loaned out drop out of professional football? Short term picture doesnt always reflect the longer term one.
  13. Thing is its not just about talent, its about opportunity, its about luck, its about injuries. Chapman is a very very special young man. One of the best kids ive seen at this level ever. But he has got years ahead of him, growth, women, beer, many many things that can take him off the path that could lead him to the top. So i wont add to the pressure and say anything on how good he COULD be. How good is he now? I'd have him on the bench for the first team instead of De Pena as he can change a game. Regarding Gibson, ive watched him at U18 level, watched his reserve debut at Hartlepool. Watched a lot of him over the years on loan also and now for the Boro and he is learning, learning, learning. I think we will see him in the premier league sooner or later. That more than likely will be with Boro though.
  14. I think the best way to respond to this is to offer up a quote from someone more intelligent than I.
  15. Yeah slightly less blunt than my response that didnt post. You know its quite hard knowing things and not tying them.
  16. I wont argue you wont know how they deal with pressures and how they will perform, but they're not totally unknown though. Didnt the Alan Moore 'giggs' tag come out AFTER he made his first team debut?
  17. I was trying to reply whilst removing all the useless other quote parts, but struggling.
  18. Why are the youth players unknown quantities? Because they have no or little first team experience? Theyve trained with the first team, theyve played with the first team in friendlies. Theyre not unknown. A example of unknown might be a championship manager buying a south american on the basis of DVD's for £2.6m then hardly playing him.
  19. Do you know that youth coaches have not said YES these players are ready, and then the players have not been given a opportunity?
  20. Morris DID impress though, read what JFH had to say about him or Sean O'Driscoll. Cooke and MAaoney you cant talk about? why? have you not seen them play? As for Cooke, you dont have a clue, so again why comment?
  21. Feel free to go back to the Steele vs Butland thing and see what my opinions were :dodgy: Whilst i will not pretend i do have a view on our youths that may be slightly biased i would say its a educated opinion. Where as a lot of replied in here are anything but. How many of the people replying have watched Chapman IN PERSON. How many have watched our U18s in a league game? How many have watched out U21s? Again though another you miss the point. This isnt about sitting on the bench for a season, Maloney has not been on loan, Cooke has not been on loan, chapman just went out, Fry has not been on loan, the list is long. So they wouldnt be playing elsewhere would they?
  22. Zucilini has 30 minutes of English football to his name prior to his loan, De Pena has been given time to acclimatise and played in certain games, but a loan of a player similar is ok? Yes he has played some games before joining city, but he certainly isn't a experienced player who has proven himself, is Stephens a experienced proven player? Less than 50 games all at a lower level than Boro! Kike sola comes in and Karanka said he would wait for the right time to blood him, we have loans coming in not ready to supplement the first team! Kike Sola is the player who joined and went on the bench replacing a young player at Bristol City despite the manager knowing he wouldn't use the new loan signing. What I would say is, have these three loaned players added anything notable to the season? Have they been regulars? Could their minutes have been better used elsewhere? Karanka isn't to risk games blooding youngsters, but he is ok to do so risking loan players?
  23. People seem to have missed the point greatly, a point which Ladyspite has seen. Its not about putting our youths in for 90 minutes week in week out, its about bringing in short term loans, players who play 3, 4, 5 games (with sometimes very few minutes) and then get shipped back out. And its also about NOW, the tail end of the season where we are still pushing for promotion. All that said id like to pick up on the point of 'if theyre good enough they will play'. What proof is there of this? Its something ive seen mentioned a few times but its unfounded when ive spoken to academy level coaches, to them its all about opportunity. Players this season (youths) have trained with the first team for months at a time, some even down to be included in match day squads until loans came in. They to me just didnt get the opportunity when maybe they should have. I most certainly wouldnt use Dael Fry as a stick to attack Karanka with as some people seem so ill judged to have accused me of. Fry played early in the season why? Was it because he was good enough, or because opportunity arose and he took it with both hands? Is he good enough? In my opiion yes, but would he be playing if Ayala wasnt injured? Course he wouldnt. Its opportunity! Injuries to Ayala, poor form and the returning of stephens, niggles to other players. Its the same with when David Wheater made his debut. Sent back from loans where he really didnt do well, and really struggling he came in after injuries to many a centre back and took the opportunity and learnt quickly playing alongside one, if not the best centre half to play for Middlesbrough in Southgate. Of course this is all MY opinion, you're all welcome to yours. I've not posted on here for a while, and from a lot of the replies, its gonna be a while before i bother again.
  24. This week has seen a fantastically talented U19 side bow out of Europe in the last 16 of the UEFA Youth League (The U19 Champions League for better explaining) but as a fan of youth football and a huge fan of youth football at Middlesbrough I’m concerned for those players and those in our academy. Does Karanka trust in our youths? Does he trust those who have progressed through the academy? There will always be an argument of experience over youth, especially when the club is on the cusp of the most financially rewarding league in the world, but do we as a club put everything we stand for aside for that reward? Or does the manager need to concentrate on everything the club has in achieving that goal? When George Friend broke his shoulder against Nottingham Forest there was talk James Husband whose loan with Huddersfield expired later that week would be kept to cover or that Academy graduate Adam Reach would be brought back. Karanka chose to go into the loan market and bring in experienced Leicester player Richie De Laet. Earlier this season the tone was set, with midfielders on the verge of suspension and Adam Forshaw injured Boro found themselves short in the middle. With youngsters Lewis Maloney (Northern Irish U21 cap), Bryn Morris (various England youth teams captain) or Callum Cooke (Another England youth international) ready to fill in Karanka turned to Manchester City’s Bruno Zucilini, a player with 30 minutes football to his name at City. Whilst Maloney made the bench for the Wolves game, Zucilini made 3 starts and 3 substitute appearances. In the time of need for a player to fill a short term gap the manager we have looks elsewhere first before what’s under his own nose. Before the FA Cup game against Burnley Karanka again made it clear his thoughts on up and coming academy players. “I know them all but I want to win and if I choose to play players from the academy then we will not win, that’s for sure.” What a kick in the teeth for our young players and in case it didn’t get through… “Today it is impossible to play with players from the academy and win the games.” Now I am not even going to pretend I know the players anything like Karanka does, but I will stick my neck on the chopping block and say including one academy player in a situation where he is filling a gap will not always end up in defeat. Hell the proof of this was on the opening day of the season when young Dael Fry stepped up into the starting XI and Boro didn’t lose. Dael recently started against Leeds and Cardiff and guess what? They didn’t lose. Karanka seems to have missed this. Zucilini and even Stephens could have stayed at home for the influence they have had. Cooke, Maloney, Morris, Fry and Burn could all have filled in on the bench and for the few minutes that the pair played. Adam Reach who played the most games in career in a season last term was quickly loaned out after the signing of Carlos De Pena. Whilst it’s great that Preston are in the Championship and Reach is gaining experience and playing every game one cannot but think right now could he not offer something from the bench? Whereas De Pena seems to have so far struggled greatly. Harrison Chapman who today went on loan at Barnsley has been a shining light in the U18s then the U21s and has been to put it simply….AMAZING in the U19 UEFA Youth League run. Part of me thinks it’s brilliant that Boro have got a young player out on loan so early for once, but the majority of me happens to be concerned. He is a touch player, he loves to run at players, run at pace with the ball will he be able to do that in League One on their pitches? Wouldn’t it have been better to have thrown him in off the bench against tired legs on the far better pitch of the Riverside? Oh wait, course we cannot win with Academy players I forgot that. With the big bucks of the Premier League visible at the end of the tunnel, the win at all costs evolution of football is it going to be harder and harder for our academy prospects to get first team football at Middlesbrough? Are the days of the home grown player being the backbone of the club a thing of the past for fans to remember fondly? With many people concentrating on Middlesbrough’s championship challenge and possible Premier League promotion the future of many players is to be decided and the league Middlesbrough find themselves in may not make a difference to their contractual outcomes. With 15 professional players out of contract this summer the futures of professionals young and old at the club will be under consideration. Yes, it’s true of that 15 there are only 3 seasoned professionals in Jonathan Woodgate (who retired and un retired last summer), Rhys Williams and Damia Abella (both of whom have just returned from long term injuries) but it’s the youngsters futures who should be concentrated on. Players like Jordan Jones who have made a first team appearance but seem to have been over looked despite great U21 form. Lewis Maloney who made it onto the first team bench this season, Mark Kitching, another who has made the first team bench and Bradley Fewster a striker whom so many screamed and shouted for first team inclusion and scored in a cup game last season. Some decisions may have already been made on players futures, Luke Coddington played for Huddersfield U21s vs Leeds this week despite the club having the option to extend the keepers contract by another year. Of course there are other situations at can force decisions regarding players. Coddington and maybe Joe Fryer may find themselves surplus to requirements due to Tom Dawson and Aynsley Pears becoming 3rd years (if they get extended deals) which will mean there are way too many goal keepers who are vying for a single U21 starting spot. Add into that mix Connor Ripley who will be returning from his loan at Motherwell. It’s worth noting also that all the current third years are tied down on professional deals except Nathan McGinley who has returned this year from an injury ridden 18 months and Jordan Jowers. 4 of the 9 second years have pro deals, so only Dawson, Pears (as mentioned above), Lee Hetherington, Daniel Jardine and Niall McGoldrick have scholarships that expire this summer. They can either be given a final single years scholarship, sign a pro deal or be released by the club. With so much at stake in getting to the Premier League, if we get there as a club will the academy return to what is once was? A system for bringing on players to supplement the first team squad, whilst bringing on players to become life professionals in the realm of football? Time will tell. Edit- Something id not put in regarding the Premier League is it could well be a saviour of the academy. Loan rules mean only 2 players from fellow PL sides and no separate loan window (although thats gone soon in the Football League) mean short term gap filling loans wont be available, so the likes of Maloney, Cooke etc may be more likely to be involved than the Zucilini types.
  25. yes, the first leg ended 5-3. went 1-0, 2-0, 2-1. 3-1, 4-1, 5-1, 5-2, 5-3 Boro scored thrugh Mitchell Curry and a Callum Cooke brace match highlights link is on my twitter
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