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Steve Gibson needs to look himself in the mirror and question whether he’s letting his personal loyalty towards Woodgate cloud his, apparent, objective judgement of an absolutely incompetent manager.

I can see the argument for how they’ve played in training and for Woodgate basing their starting performances based on how they’ve played, but as we’ve seen that constant chopping and changes has yiel

Quick bit of maths  if you put £3 on at 91/1 means .... .... You lose £3 

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1 minute ago, TeaCider24 said:

Genuinely don't know what result I want from Charlton v Hull.

Either of them getting points will be upsetting right now.

I'm inclined to say Charlton win. I genuinely think that Charlton will be fine because Bowyer had them come out of preseason so well.  Our best chance is for 3 of Hull, Barnsley, Luton and Wigan to be worse than us.

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Just now, SmogDane said:

You know.. Having to score 4 in a half is one of our club specials... 

Even I’m losing optimism now. I think we’ll only get a 3-3 draw

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7 minutes ago, SmogDane said:

Could we at least have one of them,.. What are they called... Goals.. Please 

Sorry - we're all out of those at the moment. All the other teams have bagged them all.

If you come back next week there may be some in stock... 😉

 

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1 minute ago, AnglianRed said:

Sorry - we're all out of those at the moment. All the other teams have scored them.

If you come back next week there may be some in stock... 😉

 

But could I interest you in a corner ?

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1 minute ago, AnglianRed said:

Sorry - we're all out of those at the moment. All the other teams have scored them.

If you come back next week there may be some in stock... 😉

 

Did you misspell stoke?

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