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2 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Do people still think we're not going down then?

Woodgate had shown how clueless he was before the pandemic hit. Why on Earth would he be any better afterwards?

I think I'd made my mind up by the end of October.

Briefly changed my mind during the purple patch over Christmas...thought maybe a miracle was actually in the making.

Since then, back to my original opinion.

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Steve Gibson needs to look himself in the mirror and question whether he’s letting his personal loyalty towards Woodgate cloud his, apparent, objective judgement of an absolutely incompetent manager.

I can see the argument for how they’ve played in training and for Woodgate basing their starting performances based on how they’ve played, but as we’ve seen that constant chopping and changes has yiel

Quick bit of maths  if you put £3 on at 91/1 means .... .... You lose £3 

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2 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Do people still think we're not going down then?

Woodgate had shown how clueless he was before the pandemic hit. Why on Earth would he be any better afterwards?

I'm afraid I already thought we were going down.  When people were saying we would get another 11 points, I was thinking we might get 5 at most - I just didn't want to say it and dampen people's excitement about the restart.  We are truly awful. 

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1 minute ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Yeah, and we're one of them. We were always one of them. Why are people surprised?

Not disagreeing. In relegation form and hull, Luton, Charlton etc all in the same boat. If we survive this year, there needs to be a proper reshuffle of staff and players

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Woodgate is without a doubt our worst manager of recent memory, and considering that’s including Gordon Strachan is really saying something. Baffles me how people still can’t see that SG is the overall problem 

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Our squad is one of the 5 or 6 worst in the league. Our manager is without a shadow of doubt in my mind, the worst in the league. 

Middlesbrough is the only club in the Championship, or probably even League 1 who would have hired Woodgate. 

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29 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

I thought Clayton was poor.  Offered no protection to the back four and did nothing with the ball.

That doesn’t sound like the Clayton we all know.... (sarcasm)

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4 minutes ago, Borodane said:

We’re really going down aren’t we? I’ve thought so since about October but it’s getting all too realistic now. We'll be stuck in league 1 for years having to look at players every week like friend, shotton, Clayton, Fry, McNair, Saville, Nmecha, Gestede, howson etc. 

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5 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Dunno like the game where Johnson and McNair both imploded was pretty bad.

That was actually Browne & McNair - if you're talking about the other Swansea game.

Johnson was the Hull game.

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1 minute ago, DevKWat said:

Woodgate is without a doubt our worst manager of recent memory, and considering that’s including Gordon Strachan is really saying something. Baffles me how people still can’t see that SG is the overall problem 

Hmmm is that little harsh, Gordon Strachan inherited an good squad and had money to sign half of Scotland which he did. Woodgates had good players sold underneath him and has had no real investment. Id say Strachan marginally worse but Woodgates selection is pitiful and tactics. 

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    • Ha! Yes - Warnock doesn't strike me as a "Golden Thread" kind of guy. I guess the idea had to be abandoned once he was brought in. But other clubs have made similar philosophies work for them and I'd hope it is resurrected in the near future. Though maybe, as you say, our chairman and board simply aren't smart enough to see the benefits.  
    • Do you have a link? You probably posted it earlier but I'm very lazy 
    • I think the fact that Bevington left within months of that woodgate press conference and then woodgate was replaced with Warnock a couple of months after that shows that it was likely a difference in philosophy between the chairman and him. I could be wrong but knowing the personality of Gibson it just seems that that was how it probably went. 
    • Ha ha No I was the one who was shaking his head at the comment! Would be good to get your opinions on the station 👍👍. I was the one who was blasting Warnock 
    • Either that or they had the idea, but then were completely clueless as to how to implement it properly. Its all very well having an idea, but in order for it to work, you then have to draw up a detailed plan of what needs to happen and who is going to do which tasks. Stuff like costs and timelines also usually figure in there somewhere. We heard a lot about the idea, but very little about its execution. If they wanted Boro to be the English Ajax, maybe sending someone over to talk to the club and look at their methods might have helped? 🤷‍♂️ For the record, I really wish it had worked. I would have loved to see our academy finally fulfilling its intended purpose of turning out youngsters good enough to step into the first team and push the club onwards, instead of paying over the odds for big name players who probably don't really want to be there.  

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