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Brutal watching that... I see 11 individuals all with no 0 interest today. Robert's second half showed something. As soon as I saw the team I think we all knew what was coming... laboured , lacklustre , lg1 standard. Honestly dont think Swansea got out of 1st gear. Got far too many passengers at our club. We arent fixable over a week month or year in my opinion.

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I honestly think that most of our players would be fine under a manager who understood tactics and knew how to get the best out of his players.

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I dunno what we do next game, I mean you potentially you could drop everyone that started baring maybe the goal keeper (not that he had a good game i just dont think of them were his fault) and Howson. 

Spence was rusty but I feel will and did make a difference given time with his pace and drive to get forward. So with that in mind - 

                       Pears/Stojanović (really dont mind either)

Spence........Fry...........Moukoudi..........Coulson

.....................Howson.....Mcnair..........................

Roberts....................Wing..........................Johnson 

.................................Fletcher.................................

 

 

   

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Hull are the only team of concern to us who didn't gain at least one point in us today.

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Largest margin of defeat today, the lads should be proud 🤡

The worst prepared squad in the Championship, all season long 🤦‍♂️

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1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

Largest margin of defeat today, the lads should be proud 🤡

The worst prepared squad in the Championship, all season long 🤦‍♂️

Indeed but why on earth do we still get so upset about it?

A lot of us seem to live in glass houses and full of faith!

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31 minutes ago, Smoggydownsouth said:

Brutal watching that... I see 11 individuals all with no 0 interest today. Robert's second half showed something. As soon as I saw the team I think we all knew what was coming... laboured , lacklustre , lg1 standard. Honestly dont think Swansea got out of 1st gear. Got far too many passengers at our club. We arent fixable over a week month or year in my opinion.

What ever happens now between now and the end of the season, This team has to be dismantled from top to bottom and players brought in from inside or outside the club who want to shed blood for the team,I've been here before, but in the twilight of my life I could do without this...The heady days of may 1992 a distant memory I Know I'll never experience that day at Wolverhampton,but hey-ho 

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47 minutes ago, Smoggydownsouth said:

Brutal watching that... I see 11 individuals all with no 0 interest today. Robert's second half showed something. As soon as I saw the team I think we all knew what was coming... laboured , lacklustre , lg1 standard. Honestly dont think Swansea got out of 1st gear. Got far too many passengers at our club. We arent fixable over a week month or year in my opinion.

It was the set up. Why are we playing with 4 players left up the pitch, even after we get away with them missing 2 sitters? It should've been changed straight away. Look at the goals and see where Coulson and Nmecha are stood. The set up left the defence completely exposed.

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24 minutes ago, Downsouth said:

Indeed but why on earth do we still get so upset about it?

A lot of us seem to live in glass houses and full of faith!

its a pre requisite to being a boro fan haha

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1 hour ago, Smoggydownsouth said:

Brutal watching that... I see 11 individuals all with no 0 interest today. Robert's second half showed something. As soon as I saw the team I think we all knew what was coming... laboured , lacklustre , lg1 standard. Honestly dont think Swansea got out of 1st gear. Got far too many passengers at our club. We arent fixable over a week month or year in my opinion.

need a whole regime change. Way too many in jobs as favours. 

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This lockdown re-start is a real test of any manager. It's embarrassing how under prepared and lost we looked. Tells me Woodgate is out of his depth. He was unable to prepare and bring together a team.

Is there any hope Gibson takes action this season?

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Nice to see SG was at the match. If we go down I 100% blame him for this *** show he has created. If he comes out in summer when we in league 1 and even attempts the to talk positive bullshit i will hunt the stupid chunt down myself and demand answers.

How can you sit there and watch this utter *** week in week out and still claim you want the best for this club? If you really want us to survive then sack that clueless fool you hired.

The next 2 games are sooo huuuuge and i would not trust Woodgate to tell me the correct time never mind manage two positive results.

Shambles off a club from every angle. Boardroom, in the dugout, on the pitch, in recruitment etc etc. Literally not one positive aspect to our club at this moment in time.

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It's so surreal seeing how much we have fallen since that premier league season and that's because of the chairman's decisions. 

@diggerlad07

@Smoggydownsouth

What will it take for him to go? Do you think Steve Gibson will just accept going down?! 

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1 hour ago, p_mards said:

He was a fantastic player for the majority of time he was on the pitch for us during his six and a half years of service. However, I haven’t seen anyone from Liverpool or Norwich questioning his commitment; If they have then that would just be reinforcement of his disloyalty being equally spread between clubs, as opposed to him being just disloyal to us. Him faking injury when playing for us is bad, regardless of whether he has done it before. Whatever job you do, you should be fully committed and don’t fake injury like Ayala. We could quite easily get relegated because of Ayala’s lack of commitment. That’s unforgivable to me.

We’re a mess behind the scenes with Gibson’s decision making, but that gives no mitigation to Ayala’s disloyalty. You might feel different in a few weeks if we slip into the relegation spaces - which is looking very likely.

To me, football is an ultra competitive sport in which you give absolutely everything for the club at all times when fit. That’s what set Leadbitter apart from Ayala. You don’t repeatedly fake an injury when needed like Ayala has made a habit of; Well, unless you’re akin to Donald Trump who avoided the military draft 5 times during the Vietnam War as you’re a sorry excuse of a human being that is all mouth and no action.

We also got promoted with Ayala unless I'm missing something? Grant was a great Captain but there were another 11 players on the pitch with him. Gaston Ramirez was also a major reason for us getting promoted when we did but he hardly covered himself in glory. It's the nature of football. Don't you find it just a little bit strange that someone who was deemed of enough good character to Captain the club suddenly became a monster?  Ayala's injury being "faked" is a matter of opinion, I have no idea if he is faking it or not he certainly won't be the first Boro Player to have had suspicious or convenient injuries nor will he be the first person to be told by Doctor's, Consultant's and Specialists that there was nothing wrong with them only for something to later be proved that they did have an illness all along.  

Unfortunately the Club have a bit of recent history of making a mess of contracts and also spouting manufactured PR nonsense none less so than Woodgate being the "outstanding candidate". When you shout "fire" too many times eventually people stop believing it so excuse me if I don't believe them and now take what PR spin they come out with with a pinch of salt. The article on Ayala was unprofessional, and clearly a petulant and emotive knee jerk childish reaction.  I try and avoid basing opinions on outbursts said in the heat of the moment, they rarely contain much information of value.

Maybe he is guilty of everything currently thrown at him and I get the fans anger but things are rarely black and white and I haven't read or seen anything that convinces me that he has suddenly become a different person to the one I cheered and supported for the best part of seven years. If he could act for almost seven years he is clearly in the wrong profession but in fairness at least he hasn't spent the last six months training at another club. I will reserve judgement until I know both sides of the story. Until then for me he played a fantastic part in the brightest Boro spell of the last ten or twelve years or so.

That we are now in the worst spell of the last thirty years of Boro history its just far too convenient to create a distraction from what is really going on but maybe it is just a coincidence.

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