Neverbefore 10,938 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, Old Codger said: The truest thing I ever heard was that a con man can convince you he is the perfect person for a job within a minute and it will take you the same amount of time watching him doing the actual work to know if he can actually do it....If a guy with fifty years experience in professional football can see obvious flaws, it is likely that he knows what he is talking about....I am a dinosaur in one respect, if a defender cannot defend, it makes no difference how good he is going forwards, he is going to always cost you more goals than he scores or creates. If you took a clip of vidic vs torres and showed it to anyone they'd say he can't defend in a vacuum. You cant dismiss players on instinct from limited footage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Johnson 616 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Windass- looks like Sheffield We’d and Preston have bid for him Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: If you took a clip of vidic vs torres and showed it to anyone they'd say he can't defend in a vacuum. You cant dismiss players on instinct from limited footage. I think it comes down to managers looking for what they want to see from a player or defender, which they can probably work out fairly quickly. Warnock likely wants a domineering defender at both ends of the pitch, just like Pulis wanted players who could throw the ball and bore the life of out of the watching fans and Monk wanted players who's agent would give him a backhander (allegedly) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,938 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: I think it comes down to managers looking for what they want to see from a player or defender, which they can probably work out fairly quickly. Warnock likely wants a domineering defender at both ends of the pitch, just like Pulis wanted players who could throw the ball and bore the life of out of the watching fans and Monk wanted players who's agent would give him a backhander (allegedly) some expert lawsuit prevention there 😁 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,339 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, edinboro said: It was noticeable at the end of last season how slow Fry is. We could do with someone more mobile there. It will now be Wheater, Gibson and Fry that have gone to make up for cock ups elsewhere. A real shame as they all seem to have wanted to stay. Fry isn't slow. He got done for pace by someone who is quick in the final home game that's all. He's actually pretty quick himself once he gets going but at his height he's never going to be the quickest off the mark. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: If you took a clip of vidic vs torres and showed it to anyone they'd say he can't defend in a vacuum. You cant dismiss players on instinct from limited footage. That probably wouldn't be in the Vidic highlight reel though to be fair! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,339 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Youngy228 said: Listening to Warnock talk about the analysts who said the defenders were the best ball winners in Europe and he replied that they CANT defend. I think any signing is warnocks signing and if we want him managing our club we have to trust his recruitment. He also thinks that Aden Flint can defend. I trust Warnock's judgement in finding players he wants for the short time he's at the club. People are kidding themselves if they think he's some sort of player judging mastermind however. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Eggybreadlad 14 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Doncaster want ‘7 figures’ for Whiteman. Barnsley and Blackburn also interest. Can’t see us getting in a bidding war like the Goode situation again? Lancashire Telegraph Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,938 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Changing Times said: He also thinks that Aden Flint can defend. I trust Warnock's judgement in finding players he wants for the short time he's at the club. People are kidding themselves if they think he's some sort of player judging mastermind however. Hes achieved some kind of messiah status here some how! People seem to think hes above making mistakes or failing. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,339 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 It's probably impossible to find out but I'd like to know who the two players were that were recommended and rejected. Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Hes achieved some kind of messiah status here some how! People seem to think hes above making mistakes or failing. Or they're just willing to trust his decisions whilst he's here, given his proven track record in this league... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Old Codger 3,063 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Nobody thinks he is above failing...most just think he is less likely to fail in short term than some others in the recent past and if he provides a few building blocks for the future, that is all most people want... 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Erimus 63 481 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Hes achieved some kind of messiah status here some how! People seem to think hes above making mistakes or failing. Saving us from relegation helped. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,938 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Will said: Or they're just willing to trust his decisions whilst he's here, given his proven track record in this league... There are as many reasons to not trust his judgement in the last 10 years or so as there are reasons to trust it. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,982 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Season starts 2 weeks today with our cup game. Not a lot of time if he wants players in before we kick off. Link to post Share on other sites
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