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1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

I doubt it.  He'd run his course here.  I would have thought your contacts in the game would have told you some of the stuff going on at the time.  You can't *** everyone off and then expect them to keep busting a gut for you.  I doubt Gibson wanted to let him go at all but it had reached the point of no return I think.  Handing it over to Agnew was a strange one though, I'll give you that.  Gibson does seem to get some odd ideas at times.

100% on this.

For me the Agnew decision was weird and not what we wanted. We needed some experience and leadership and I think had we appointed someone like Big Sam, Neil W etc. we may have stayed up. 

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2 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

I doubt it.  He'd run his course here.  I would have thought your contacts in the game would have told you some of the stuff going on at the time.  You can't *** everyone off and then expect them to keep busting a gut for you.  I doubt Gibson wanted to let him go at all but it had reached the point of no return I think.  Handing it over to Agnew was a strange one though, I'll give you that.  Gibson does seem to get some odd ideas at times.

In my opinion Aitor was 'working his ticket' during that January transfer window. It was if he was actually begging to be sacked. If you recall he had a go at the fans after the West Ham home game, he publicly criticised the physiotherapy team, he lashed out at the recruitment team and the club for not getting the signings he'd been asking for 'since one and a half months ago' (his words).

In a tv interview after his departure Steve Gibson remarked it was a relief to Aitor and he'd been put out of his misery (or words to that effect).

The prospect of him seeing out the season with relegation then bouncing us back at the first time of asking is for the birds.

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And yet since Karanka has gone, we have nosedived beyond all recognition.

There were clashes behind the scenes, but to put the blame at one person wouldn't be accurate. Especially as most of the problems have remained.

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44 minutes ago, PsychFur said:

In my opinion Aitor was 'working his ticket' during that January transfer window. It was if he was actually begging to be sacked. If you recall he had a go at the fans after the West Ham home game, he publicly criticised the physiotherapy team, he lashed out at the recruitment team and the club for not getting the signings he'd been asking for 'since one and a half months ago' (his words).

In a tv interview after his departure Steve Gibson remarked it was a relief to Aitor and he'd been put out of his misery (or words to that effect).

The prospect of him seeing out the season with relegation then bouncing us back at the first time of asking is for the birds.

I think lashing out at the recruitment team is completely understandable. They let him down, and subsequently have royally messed up every window since.

Ref the physio team, there have been issues here between the players and team for a while. Ayala being the prime example.

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3 minutes ago, TheJew said:

And yet since Karanka has gone, we have nosedived beyond all recognition.

There were clashes behind the scenes, but to put the blame at one person wouldn't be accurate. Especially as most of the problems have remained.

You do realise that we were nosediving before the left?  It started while he was here, I think that's the relevant point.

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1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

You do realise that we were nosediving before the left?  It started while he was here, I think that's the relevant point.

No. When he left we were above the relegation zone.

Had we strengthened in January we might have stayed up.

The relevant point is it is once again the internal gubbins of the club that cocked up.

Not backing a manager in January When outside of the relegation zone. Check.

Firing a manager who had taken us to the Premiership with a proven Championship record after not backing in January. Check.

Believing a word Gibbo says? Check.

Karanka didn't start the nosedive. Nor was he responsible for it. Karanka is a scapegoat, as the years since his departure have proven.

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52 minutes ago, PsychFur said:

In my opinion Aitor was 'working his ticket' during that January transfer window. It was if he was actually begging to be sacked. If you recall he had a go at the fans after the West Ham home game, he publicly criticised the physiotherapy team, he lashed out at the recruitment team and the club for not getting the signings he'd been asking for 'since one and a half months ago' (his words).

In a tv interview after his departure Steve Gibson remarked it was a relief to Aitor and he'd been put out of his misery (or words to that effect).

The prospect of him seeing out the season with relegation then bouncing us back at the first time of asking is for the birds.

Yep. We were much better off with Monk, Pulis and Woodgate at the helm.

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1 hour ago, scotty189 said:

Can anyone give me an update please, what's latest with Kevin Stewart, and didn't someone mention the club were trying to get another over the line before the trip to Cornwall? 

He was close to signing; got another offer and has gone to speak to them. Club appear to be bungling another one.

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8 minutes ago, TheJew said:

No. When he left we were above the relegation zone.

Had we strengthened in January we might have stayed up.

The relevant point is it is once again the internal gubbins of the club that cocked up.

Not backing a manager in January When outside of the relegation zone. Check.

Firing a manager who had taken us to the Premiership with a proven Championship record after not backing in January. Check.

Believing a word Gibbo says? Check.

Karanka didn't start the nosedive. Nor was he responsible for it. Karanka is a scapegoat, as the years since his departure have proven.

We were 3 points adrift and hadn't won a game in 3 months

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5 minutes ago, TheJew said:

Yep. We were much better off with Monk, Pulis and Woodgate at the helm.

His position was simply untenable. His criticism of the fans, the staff and the club were all carried in public which was unprofessional and unacceptable. Nobody knew who would go on to manage the team after he left so I'm not exactly sure why you are referencing his successors in an attempt to determine who we would have been better off with. Some of my best times following the team in recent years were when Aitor was at the helm and we've had nobody better since. That doesn't mean to say that it wasn't right to let him go at that time.

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Just now, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

We were 3 points adrift and hadn't won a game in 3 months

Apologies. But it doesn't change the main point...

Recruitment in January, not backing the manager. 

Replacing with Agnew (or anyone) post Jan when we had a manager with a quite exceptional record in the Championship.

 

 

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Just now, PsychFur said:

His position was simply untenable. His criticism of the fans, the staff and the club were all carried in public which was unprofessional and unacceptable. Nobody knew who would go on to manage the team after he left so I'm not exactly sure why you are referencing his successors in an attempt to determine who we would have been better off with. Some of my best times following the team in recent years were when Aitor was at the helm and we've had nobody better since. That doesn't mean to say that it wasn't right to let him go at that time.

but surely our post Karanka era shows it wasnt the right decision.

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