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3 hours ago, Changing Times said:

But Brentford aren't in a different position now.  They've been at this level for a few years and until last season they really hadn't done that much at all.  In fact, they were in the play offs with us in 2014/15.  Since then we've been promoted and they've been midtable.  Until last season they'd made no progress at all.  If we'd been doing the same things as them then there's no reason to think we'd be better off than they are.  Go back in time to 2014/15, we lose in the play off final, and then we sell our better players and buy some projects from wherever.  Do we get promoted in 2015/16?  I don't think we do.  We don't spend heavily on Downing, Rhodes, Nugent, Stuani (possibly a good thing on balance) but we sell the likes of Tomlin, Friend, Adomah, Clayton, because that's how our model works.  Just like Brentford we fall down the table rather than move up and we miss out on promotion.  Then we do the same thing again. 

You're making an assumption that last season will be bettered, which might be the case but then again it might not be.  It's a fact that last season was the first time in donkeys years that they've finished ahead of us.  I'd have a decent bet that they finish ahead of us again this season, given our own situation, but unless that comes with promotion then what does it matter?  They are in the Championship still.  The £60m transfer profit is fine but I've already said that I don't care about that.  If my team makes a healthy profit on transfers and then finishes 11th, what about that is good for me as a fan?  Over the last 2 years we've made a profit of £31m on transfers, it didn't do us much good on the field though, and I can't say that it made me feel great to be a Boro fan.

I think you’re concentrating too much on the ‘profit’ part. The idea people like of following a Brentford model is finding the Jota, benrhama, watkins, Andre grey type players. They do that while we go out and throw money around and end up in trouble.

I feel like you’re also underestimating their willingness to hold on to players, they only sell once a offer that is too good to turn down comes in. I’m pretty sure they were rejecting bids for watkins of around £10m last summer.

Also you talk about Brentford as if us and them are both in the same situation and we have been successful since we beat them in the play offs. The reality is you could call it the textbook tortoise and hare scenario, we threw money around while they plodded on doing what they do. We squandered what we had while Brentford are now sitting comfortably and in all honesty are a more attractive prospect for potential signings.

The idea of ‘Brentford’ people want is the plan, the lengths they go to to find the players. Since that play off game they still play the same way, sign the same type of players and often manage to be entertaining to watch. In the meantime we go through transition after transition and £200m to end up scraping survival after yet another root and branch analysis of how badly ran we are.

Brentford knew they couldn’t compete with the bigger teams so they got clever and looked in places the rest weren’t willing to look. It felt like our strategy if we needed a striker was to look at the top scorers list and buy the guy closest to the top we could afford. 

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Maybe Brentford are at/or almost at their ceiling as a club, they've traditionally been a 3rd or 4th tier club throughout their history so maybe this is close to as good as it gets for them.

If we had their scouting set up with our infrastructure and finances maybe we could have bought the players they bought, but held onto to them rather than be forced to sell to bigger clubs. 

Maybe a better scouting set up might have done better than Gestede for 7m, Saville for 8m and Assombalonga for 16m. 

The golden standard for us is to do what they are doing in the division above. Our infrastructure, fanbase and recent history would suggest we are a bigger club than Brentford. But let's be honest the best we could ever do is make up the numbers in the Premier league. If we could survive in the Premier league but still playing good football thats about as good as it could get for us as a club now.

Buying players with potential and selling them on for bigger fees is the best way to being sustainable as a club and Brentford do it brilliantly. Are they a failure because they haven't been promoted? I don't think think so, I think they are already overarching as a club. 

The other side of the argument is that the fans of the 71 other clubs outside the Premier league are probably saying they should 'do a Brentford'. I'm sure our plan under Woodgate was to do something like that, however there's a difference between saying what you want to do and actually putting the right people in place to see it through. Also, in the clubs defence its probably a really difficult thing to do. 

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1 hour ago, Poly said:

Any more info on Morsy ? 

It’s all gone worryingly quiet on Morsy, and Zohore.

I know NW said he expected one to be announced tomorrow, but when they drag on like this they don’t look too promising.

I think the one tomorrow will be Bettinelli too, as Fulham are waiting for Areola to sign before they will allow it to become official.

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25 minutes ago, uncle_rico said:

It’s all gone worryingly quiet on Morsy, and Zohore.

I know NW said he expected one to be announced tomorrow, but when they drag on like this they don’t look too promising.

I think the one tomorrow will be Bettinelli too, as Fulham are waiting for Areola to sign before they will allow it to become official.


I wasn’t expecting us to sign Zohore anyway to be fair as I think we will get Sanogo and hopefully Woodrow. But I will be extremely disappointed if we don’t get Morsy. He would be brilliant for us.

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5 minutes ago, Poly said:


I wasn’t expecting us to sign Zohore anyway to be fair as I think we will get Sanogo and hopefully Woodrow. But I will be extremely disappointed if we don’t get Morsy. He would be brilliant for us.

fingers crossed we hear something today, someone said yesterday Sanogo was training, and hopefully they done the keepers medical, and hopefully Morsy has made his mind up to join the mighty Boro

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18 minutes ago, uncle_rico said:

Isn’t it normally 24 hours before?

 

Signing and announcing are two different things though.

Think for a night game its 5pm the day before, for a 3pm kick off I think it is lunchtime the day before

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6 minutes ago, OldManGravz said:

Think for a night game its 5pm the day before, for a 3pm kick off I think it is lunchtime the day before

We signed Big Juke at 12 midday on a Saturday and he played at 3pm. Loan signings - such as Betinelli - have different rules I think.

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