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The Summer/Autumn transfers thread 2020 aka TURN DOWN FOR WHAT(more)

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11 minutes ago, Brunners said:

The plan was to have fans back in from this weekend and while it wasn't a guarantee, it looked pretty confident that it would go ahead until almost the very last minute, they scrap it the week before fans are meant to be back.

I'm with @Neverbefore on this, mate. Should be no expectation from anyone in businesses that operate by getting people through the door that, heading into Winter, things weren't going to get worse again. Anyone with any other expectation is off their rocker.

These trials you're talking about mean very little when it's the state of the whole nation that is driving restrictions, not the state of virus transmission at football stadiums. So it's as he's said, either Gibson has taken a risk and spent money we might not have or we're not actually in as much trouble as some other clubs could be in.

Whether football agrees with these restrictions or not, I think the idea we were gonna have uninterrupted access to fans through the gates this season was fanciful at best.

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I think it was pretty much a generic comment by the newspaper. Anyway in about 17 days time we will know as nobody at the club itself is saying anything. I believe little that the Gazette says as they are in the business of selling newspapers and it doesnt have to be facts from the club.

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2 minutes ago, Brunners said:

The plan ALL summer was to have fans back in as early as 3rd October. That has been the message literally ALL summer, up to the point that they were running trial runs in preparation for it. If you can't see that it might have had an effect on transfer business, you're being wilfully ignorant.

I'm not being wilfully ignorant, you are.  In the last 6 months you can cite dozens of things that have changed at the last minute due to government decision making - this was always on the cards given the way every single other aspect of this pandemic has been handled. Health experts world wide have been warning of an autumn/winter spike since the beginning. Of course any business will have taken this under consideration, it would be mental not to. Just because they said that the goal was to have fans in the stadium on a certain date months ago doesnt mean you can rely on it, the picture is changing daily and it will continue to do so.

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3 minutes ago, Brunners said:

The plan ALL summer was to have fans back in as early as 3rd October. That has been the message literally ALL summer, up to the point that they were running trial runs in preparation for it. If you can't see that it might have had an effect on transfer business, you're being wilfully ignorant.

We weren't planning on locking down in March either but we did, we were planning to play Swansea what... the day before we had it called off? We're in a high-risk, low-notice period of handling a global epidemic and this time round, everyone knows what can happen. They had 3 months of it where it was dropped on them at zero notice, to operate under the expectation it wouldn't happen again is just plain daft. Every measure this country has taken since to open us up has been with hope, not expectation.

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Again, I guess we'll see. I'm fairly confident in what I know, so while I hope I'm wrong; I'm not very optimistic that I am. I will happily eat crow come the end of the season if we're still financially secure.

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Agree Wilson, no business would assume in this instance,  you plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Good job we managed to get rid of most of the high earners though.

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1 hour ago, Neverbefore said:

Well we've just dropped 3mil on a striker. So that means one of two things -

A) Gibson has been extremely wreckless and gambled with the future of the club for chuba akpom.

Or 

B) there are more factors at play beyond what the Northern echo are aware of from some very basic financial figures. 

I can bet my house on it not being option a, for all of gibsons flaws, he has always known when to cut back to secure the clubs long term future, often at the expense of the fan support he craves so much. 

So that leaves option b - which is why I'm not concerned about our club being at any risk of going under. I dont think there are many championship and below clubs that can say the same though. 

To be honest I was thinking it was a sign the club are getting local media to drip feed the lack of money as to explain a lack of incomings, I still think we are going to be fine as Gibson will continue to bank roll us but its a handy backdrop to explain away not getting further signings

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1 hour ago, Neverbefore said:

Well we've just dropped 3mil on a striker. So that means one of two things -

A) Gibson has been extremely wreckless and gambled with the future of the club for chuba akpom.

Or 

B) there are more factors at play beyond what the Northern echo are aware of from some very basic financial figures. 

I can bet my house on it not being option a, for all of gibsons flaws, he has always known when to cut back to secure the clubs long term future, often at the expense of the fan support he craves so much. 

So that leaves option b - which is why I'm not concerned about our club being at any risk of going under. I dont think there are many championship and below clubs that can say the same though. 

Not to muddy the waters of this debate further, but wasn't it the general consensus that the £3m figure was nowhere near accurate, and included  add-ons anyway?

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1 minute ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

To be honest I was thinking it was a sign the club are getting local media to drip feed the lack of money as to explain a lack of incomings, I still think we are going to be fine as Gibson will continue to bank roll us but its a handy backdrop to explain away not getting further signings

I dont disagree with that, I reckon that 3mil will be the entirety of the transfer fees we will spend - low cost frees or loans without fees going forward 

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Just now, Neverbefore said:

I dont disagree with that, I reckon that 3mil will be the entirety of the transfer fees we will spend - low cost frees or loans without fees going forward 

Agreed and whilst there was probably low expectations of having an fans in, Gibson may have saw the chance of some ticket income as a bonus which could be put aside for a loan or two

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If fans can't go back, will there be some leeway with FFP rules to allow more investment to stop clubs from going bust?

 

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Just now, Tobermory said:

If fans can't go back, will there be some leeway with FFP rules to allow more investment to stop clubs from going bust?

 

that would be a sensible and reasoned approach, so it seems unlikely

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1 hour ago, Brunners said:

The plan ALL summer was to have fans back in as early as 3rd October. That has been the message literally ALL summer, up to the point that they were running trial runs in preparation for it. If you can't see that it might have had an effect on transfer business, you're being wilfully ignorant.

If we've done our summer business assuming that we'd have 10k fans a week for the rest of the season from October then Gibson and anyone else involved in that decision making should be having their mental capacity tested. That would be one of the most reckless actions I've ever seen from our football club and as NB4 says, I simply can't see a smart businessman like Gibson doing that.

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1 hour ago, Brunners said:

Again, I guess we'll see. I'm fairly confident in what I know, so while I hope I'm wrong; I'm not very optimistic that I am. I will happily eat crow come the end of the season if we're still financially secure.

What do you actually know though? It's not a dig if it sounds like that. Not a lot of people know much about the clubs finances in the first place and it's just a matter of days ago where you said you expect half the championship to go bust iirc. I just think that you are buying too much into the doom and gloom and I stand by my statement that I don't think we will see even 12 clubs across the Championship, L1 and L2 combined go bust. I very much doubt that our entire survival hope was based on spectators gradually being allowed back in from october and no new restrictions being imposed. If that was the breaking point then there is  no way we would have spent money on players this summer and we would have been selling players instead.

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