The Summer/Autumn transfers thread 2020 aka TURN DOWN FOR WHAT(more)

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Just now, macapes said:

Will just depend on whether someone will outpay us.  They won't want his full salary on the books.  Expect it to go all day, they'll be bouncing offers back and forth. 

Yeah that's how I see it.  They'll look to get the best deal they can quite understandably.

[scotty189 137]

1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

Yeah that's how I see it.  They'll look to get the best deal they can quite understandably.

If he wants to come to us though, surely he'll just reject other offers

[wilsoncgp 2,480]

1 hour ago, Borodane said:

Benhrama has failed his medical at west ham. That’s a huge sale Brentford miss out on. They must hope he can keep up his good form now. 

From what I saw, they're still trying to find a way of doing the deal before the deadline. Suspect either way it's only delaying the inevitable and there's always January. Still quite doubtful of him playing for Brentford ever again.

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Just now, scotty189 said:

If he wants to come to us though, surely he'll just reject other offers

It's a loan signing though.  If someone offered Everton 50% of his wages and we offered 20% then they might say there's no way he'll come here unless we increase our offer.

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Just now, Changing Times said:

It's a loan signing though.  If someone offered Everton 50% of his wages and we offered 20% then they might say there's no way he'll come here unless we increase our offer.

It's up to both him and Everton. They could say no and have to pay 100% of his wages, he could say no and not be able to play football for another few months.

Admittedly, in these circumstances, the chances are he's likelier to move than not move and if that means accepting where Everton are willing to send him and others offer more money than us then yeah, I think we'll struggle to get him here. If he puts his foot down and says only Boro, which I wouldn't say is particularly likely but who knows, then I think Everton will send him here eventually.

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2 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

It's up to both him and Everton. They could say no and have to pay 100% of his wages, he could say no and not be able to play football for another few months.

Admittedly, in these circumstances, the chances are he's likelier to move than not move and if that means accepting where Everton are willing to send him and others offer more money than us then yeah, I think we'll struggle to get him here. If he puts his foot down and says only Boro, which I wouldn't say is particularly likely but who knows, then I think Everton will send him here eventually.

Yeah, I'm just thinking if they got a much better offer they could decided that they'd rather take the risk of the extra £14k per week in order to try and get say £35k per week off the books.  

[Redcar Rioja 558]

13 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

He's on £70k per week mate.  I think it's safe to say that getting him here will take some serious negotiation with Everton, never mind him.

And thats is exactly my point, surely we don't get to the final few hours on deadline day and realise that his wages are more than half of our first team collectively? There's brinkmanship and there's brinkmanship but he hasn't kicked a ball for Everton in two years hence my exasperated frustration. If I had a pram right now there would be doll carnage!

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1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

Yeah, I'm just thinking if they got a much better offer they could decided that they'd rather take the risk of the extra £14k per week in order to try and get say £35k per week off the books.  

I’m finding it hard to see how Blackburn or Milwall could pay more than 20% of his wages either tbh 

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Just now, Redcar Rioja said:

And thats is exactly my point, surely we don't get to the final few hours on deadline day and realise that his wages are more than half of our first team collectively? There's brinkmanship and there's brinkmanship but he hasn't kicked a ball for Everton in two years hence my exasperated frustration. If I had a pram right now there would be doll carnage!

But we're not going to pay his wages.  The negotiation would be over what proportion of them we'll pay.

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Just now, BoroBoy1989 said:

I’m finding it hard to see how Blackburn or Milwall could pay more than 20% of his wages either tbh 

Yeah, they'd be hoping for someone else to come in for him most likely.

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1 minute ago, Redcar Rioja said:

And thats is exactly my point, surely we don't get to the final few hours on deadline day and realise that his wages are more than half of our first team collectively? There's brinkmanship and there's brinkmanship but he hasn't kicked a ball for Everton in two years hence my exasperated frustration. If I had a pram right now there would be doll carnage!

Everton aren't in a rush though, longer they wait, more desperate some teams might get, more money they can get.  Nothing in it for Everton in getting it done early. 

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3 minutes ago, macapes said:

Everton aren't in a rush though, longer they wait, more desperate some teams might get, more money they can get.  Nothing in it for Everton in getting it done early. 

Early!!! There is only 2.5hrs left?

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1 minute ago, thatoldchestnut said:

Early!!! There is only 2.5hrs left?

It's in direct response to the post quoted about leaving things to deadline day.  

[Redcar Rioja 558]

1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

But we're not going to pay his wages.  The negotiation would be over what proportion of them we'll pay.

If say we are willing to go up to £20K on wages so as not to break our new wage "ceiling" after jettisoning expensive deadwood and permacrocks in the summer then the discussion should be relatively straightforward. £10K, £15K and then £20K as our final contribution and we walk away not wasting our time, Bolasie's time and Everton's.

Other clubs have got deals done, maybe its because we get involved in chasing the most difficult, awkward or complex recruits. After Bolasie's last no show I would have made it a very quick and concise enquiry this time round.

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Just now, Redcar Rioja said:

If say we are willing to go up to £20K on wages so as not to break our new wage "ceiling" after jettisoning expensive deadwood and permacrocks in the summer then the discussion should be relatively straightforward. £10K, £15K and then £20K as our final contribution and we walk away not wasting our time, Bolasie's time and Everton's.

Other clubs have got deals done, maybe its because we get involved in chasing the most difficult, awkward or complex recruits. After Bolasie's last no show I would have made it a very quick and concise enquiry this time round.

It's a business negotiation mate.  Everton ideally want us to pay 100% of his wages.  We ideally want to pay 0% of his wages.  We need to find where the point is that both clubs are happy and Everton are going to wait in case a better offer comes in most likely.