Foogle 2,078 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Looking at Sanogo's time in the french league for Toulouse: 12 goals in 3664 minutes, Fletcher last season was 11 goals in 3224 minutes (with 7 assists) then Braithwaite at Toulouse in his last season there 11 goals in 2948 minutes. We paid what 7m for Fletcher and 9m for Braithwaite? I think his record is decent enough not to write him off, even if he comes in as third choice on a manageable contract I think it'd be good business given our circumstances, we really need senior players in for the squad. Who knows if he's given an extended run in a team he might surprise a few and he's different to the weapons we've currently got available. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,228 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, TAPOUT said: Are you bored? Picking out a sentence out of the 3 or 4 replies I have made to base your argument on. I have replied to you a couple of times and mentioned Britt and the midfield. Denial again? Or maybe just forgetful. No, I've just pointed out you've blamed Fletcher for our attacking problems for the entire season. I responded to everything else you put point-by-point then I've responded to your next point essentially saying Fletcher is responsible for our lack of goals. What you've said before that is completely irrelevant to the line I've responded to. And to think you're sat here thinking I'm in denial, crikey. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: he got us to 5th and 7th in the league with those tactics, the man is a genius Jesus christ man, is this the footballing version of Stockholm syndrome?! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Changing Times said: I feel like, even given how poor we were last season, we shouldn't be judging players on whether they are worse value for money than Gestede and Nmecha. That seems like a fairly low bar to set in my opinion. My companies health and safety record has been examplary since we started using Chernobyl as our barometer 11 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Brunners said: Jesus christ man, is this the footballing version of Stockholm syndrome?! I should have added a wink or a gif to accompany Link to post Share on other sites
TAPOUT 361 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, wilsoncgp said: No, I've just pointed out you've blamed Fletcher for our attacking problems for the entire season. I responded to everything else you put point-by-point then I've responded to your next point essentially saying Fletcher is responsible for our lack of goals. What you've said before that is completely irrelevant to the line I've responded to. And to think you're sat here thinking I'm in denial, crikey. So I havent mentioned the midfield or Britt? Dear me. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,211 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 The Sanogo link is a funny one. He's big, which is the only thing that Warnock is concerned about quite clearly, so the reasoning for signing him is obvious. But he's never really done it anywhere, other than when he was a kid basically, and he's played fewer than 100 games at the age of 27. Looks like one of those prospects who was good when he was younger, didn't develop much further than that but his career continues on because there are always people out there willing to sign a big bloke or who look at him and think there's a player in there somewhere, even if that player rarely seems to surface. I doubt he's coming cheap in terms of his wages. If we get him on a long enough contract he could be a direct replacement for Gestede, in just about every possible way 😓 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Changing Times said: The Sanogo link is a funny one. He's big, which is the only thing that Warnock is concerned about quite clearly, so the reasoning for signing him is obvious. But he's never really done it anywhere, other than when he was a kid basically, and he's played fewer than 100 games at the age of 27. Looks like one of those prospects who was good when he was younger, didn't develop much further than that but his career continues on because there are always people out there willing to sign a big bloke or who look at him and think there's a player in there somewhere, even if that player rarely seems to surface. I doubt he's coming cheap in terms of his wages. If we get him on a long enough contract he could be a direct replacement for Gestede, in just about every possible way 😓 The way the market is I don’t think players out of contracts can demand big wages. I’ve seen quite a lot of players out of contract saying it’s not easy especially when you are just another run of the mill footballer who doesn’t stand out. I certainly don’t think he’s going to get an increase on his last contract and I doubt that was a big one. If we offer more than 10k I’d be surprised. And with his injury record we need to make it performance based. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,211 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Borodane said: The way the market is I don’t think players out of contracts can demand big wages. I’ve seen quite a lot of players out of contract saying it’s not easy especially when you are just another run of the mill footballer who doesn’t stand out. I certainly don’t think he’s going to get an increase on his last contract and I doubt that was a big one. If we offer more than 10k I’d be surprised. And with his injury record we need to make it performance based. I bet he was on upwards of 20k per week. He won't have been cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
LBP 3,012 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) €24,500 according to https://sillyseason.com/salary/toulouse-fc-players-salaries-129457/ Changes my opinion on signing him just a little bit if that's accurate 👀 Wonder if that Wesley Said link ages was actually accurate well until they told us their asking price probably Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,228 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Changing Times said: The Sanogo link is a funny one. He's big, which is the only thing that Warnock is concerned about quite clearly, so the reasoning for signing him is obvious. But he's never really done it anywhere, other than when he was a kid basically, and he's played fewer than 100 games at the age of 27. Looks like one of those prospects who was good when he was younger, didn't develop much further than that but his career continues on because there are always people out there willing to sign a big bloke or who look at him and think there's a player in there somewhere, even if that player rarely seems to surface. I doubt he's coming cheap in terms of his wages. If we get him on a long enough contract he could be a direct replacement for Gestede, in just about every possible way 😓 Sounds like a cross between Gestede and Aliadiere. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Given the Gazette's insistence all along that Moore, Dykes etc. weren't our main targets, and the apparent large amount of interest in Sanogo, do we think he was our number 1 target all along? Link to post Share on other sites
Smogzilla 7,384 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 "The travelling squad includes summer signing Grant Hall, and youngsters Nathan Wood, Stephen Walker, Sam Folarin, and Sam Stubbs are all in Cornwall for the week." Interesting to see Folarin involved. Didnt look like he played in the u23 game at the weekend judging by the photos released Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,211 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: Sounds like a cross between Gestede and Aliadiere. That's quite a good comparison mate 👍 If Warnock really wants him and he's say £5k-£10k per week on a 2 year deal then fair enough. But if it's £15k+ per week on a 3 or 4 year deal then I think we're just setting ourselves up for a fall. Perhaps more to the point, you don't get better at something by doing the same basic thing over and over again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Changing Times said: That's quite a good comparison mate 👍 If Warnock really wants him and he's say £5k-£10k per week on a 2 year deal then fair enough. But if it's £15k+ per week on a 3 or 4 year deal then I think we're just setting ourselves up for a fall. Perhaps more to the point, you don't get better at something by doing the same basic thing over and over again. I'm really hoping that whatever we agree to (I struggle to see him dropping below £15k p/w tbh) it's heavily linked to appearances. Like 50% of the total wage being based on starting games or at least coming on. Let's hope the master negotiators down at Rockliffe know that he's really quite injury prone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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