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The Summer/Autumn transfers thread 2020 aka TURN DOWN FOR WHAT(more)


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I love the way some posters take issue over the posting of what they describe as negative comments!

Arguably, we have been going backwards since Eindhoven. We had a disastrous season back in the Prem. Firing this time we have squandered millions and millions. We brought in Woody when it was obvious to the majority he would struggle to cope. You can criticise almost every aspect of the club as we meander in a downward direction.

The only positive - the appointment of Warnock. He is the one bright star in a sky of darkness.

I tell you what, when the club behaves and acts like a professional football club it will sweep away a lot of so- called negativity. Mind, I am not holding my breath on this happening in the short term

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Point is were just on the back of a very positive performance - whether you consider that based on attitude or ability - against a strong Newcastle side. After the dross of last season, a performance like that is a significant step. And came without McNair, Saville, or Fry - so from slightly depleted resources in an already depleted squad. 

Do we need bodies? Yes. Do we have time to get them in? Absolutely. Have the signs of an upturn in communication, understanding of roles, player performances, etc been seen? Yes. But there's a portion of fans who will always find something to moan about. They're the ones who wanted McClaren sacked. Who only remember the negatives aspects of Karanka's reign. Who would moan about Adomah/Kike/Bamford/Clayton/Friend/Leadbitter/endless list.

The absolute nonsense spouted about "awful transfer window" etc is like watching the first 20 mins of a game and going "this is the worst game ever in the history of football." Calm down.

"Give the kids a go!" Vs. "we need experienced leaders"

"Why can't we find the next Vardy" vs. "we should be signing Julio Geordio"

There's posters on here who've said both statements within months of each other. The club can't win. It's Boro. We love them. Stop being so inherently negative all the time for god's sake. There's more to life anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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52 minutes ago, Uwe said:

If we are going to sign people just on names we should look no further

 

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I think we have a winner!

Mind you, knowing our luck we'd try to sign him but end up with...

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17 minutes ago, Snowblind said:

Point is were just on the back of a very positive performance - whether you consider that based on attitude or ability - against a strong Newcastle side. After the dross of last season, a performance like that is a significant step. And came without McNair, Saville, or Fry - so from slightly depleted resources in an already depleted squad. 

Do we need bodies? Yes. Do we have time to get them in? Absolutely. Have the signs of an upturn in communication, understanding of roles, player performances, etc been seen? Yes. But there's a portion of fans who will always find something to moan about. They're the ones who wanted McClaren sacked. Who only remember the negatives aspects of Karanka's reign. Who would moan about Adomah/Kike/Bamford/Clayton/Friend/Leadbitter/endless list.

The absolute nonsense spouted about "awful transfer window" etc is like watching the first 20 mins of a game and going "this is the worst game ever in the history of football." Calm down.

"Give the kids a go!" Vs. "we need experienced leaders"

"Why can't we find the next Vardy" vs. "we should be signing Julio Geordio"

There's posters on here who've said both statements within months of each other. The club can't win. It's Boro. We love them. Stop being so inherently negative all the time for god's sake. There's more to life anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Excellent post.

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2 hours ago, Herbivorous said:

 Yup.  Disillusionment??  Perfectly understandable.  Questioning of the situation, so as to arrive at a precise definition of the problem(s)??  Essential. 

We haven't seen very much, if any, evidence of the club's progress in managing this situation, but our hope and expectation is that somebody senior is applying himself / herself to fixing it.  Fixing it good.

I agree, thats why I cited that as the important part of the feedback and accountability from supporters but I think that is vastly different from negativity for negativity sake and unhealthy expectations

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Couple of french free agents that I would look at:

Moussa Sylla - ST/LAM/RAM
Came through Monaco's youth academy and was released this season. Bags of potential and wouldn't demand massive wages. Only 20 years old so low risk, high reward. Not really a Warnock player so can't see it happening.

Theo Valls - CM/CDM
Could be excellent in our midfield and different to what we have. Capable of picking out a peach of a pass but also capable of doing the dirty work in midfield.

Arnaud Lusambe - CM/CAM
Versatile player who can chip in with goals from midfield, still only 23 so lots of time to improve.

Theo Pellenard - LB
Bit of a risk cause he hasn't played a lot of football lately but could be a low risk, high reward signing and good competition for Coulson/Bola

Yaya Sanogo - ST
Please can we just wrap this one up....

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20 minutes ago, Snowblind said:

Point is were just on the back of a very positive performance - whether you consider that based on attitude or ability - against a strong Newcastle side. After the dross of last season, a performance like that is a significant step. And came without McNair, Saville, or Fry - so from slightly depleted resources in an already depleted squad. 

Do we need bodies? Yes. Do we have time to get them in? Absolutely. Have the signs of an upturn in communication, understanding of roles, player performances, etc been seen? Yes. But there's a portion of fans who will always find something to moan about. They're the ones who wanted McClaren sacked. Who only remember the negatives aspects of Karanka's reign. Who would moan about Adomah/Kike/Bamford/Clayton/Friend/Leadbitter/endless list.

The absolute nonsense spouted about "awful transfer window" etc is like watching the first 20 mins of a game and going "this is the worst game ever in the history of football." Calm down.

"Give the kids a go!" Vs. "we need experienced leaders"

"Why can't we find the next Vardy" vs. "we should be signing Julio Geordio"

There's posters on here who've said both statements within months of each other. The club can't win. It's Boro. We love them. Stop being so inherently negative all the time for god's sake. There's more to life anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️

great post

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No this is a totally different scenario than idiots moaning about ridiculous things.

This is the culmination of 4 years of terrible decisions, from the pathetic attempt at building a premiership team, putting our shot at survival in the hands of gestede, guedioura and Steve Agnew, spending £30m on strikers when we already had bamford, abandoning a £50m project after 6 months. All the way through to trying to pull the wool over our eyes with woodgate and a boatload of bad PR.

We have the people spewing out the ‘gibson pumps money in to keep us afloat!!!’ And the ‘we have to get used to operating on a small budget!!!’ Lines out at us. They don’t stop to think WHY gibson has to pump millions in to keep us  afloat, or WHY we have no money. It’s simply our own fault, gibson has to do that because we got stuck with gestede for 4 years on big wages, because we spent a fortune on players we didn’t really need.

Not all of these decisions are ‘poor in hindsight’, no boro fan thought gestede and guedioura would transform the team, no boro fan thought woodgate would achieve ANYTHING. We knew at the time they were terrible decisions.

BUT that isn’t why people are moaning, we moan now because the people that oversaw not 1 or 2 but 3 shocking periods of this club are ALL still here, the people that seen over £200m pass through the clubs finances are still here. Not only that but we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and when we make a poor decision we make sure we DOUBLE DOWN on it.

People aren’t moaning today just because of the lack of signings or because we can’t afford any of the bigger names. It’s because we’ve been put in this position by people who continue to have positions of power.

There are plus sides however, warnock is probably the most sensible manager we’ve appointed for a while, we apparently have made changes to the scouting set up and I don’t think our squad is as bad as made out, warnock will get a tune out of them. I just hope we can at least get 2 or 3 of the players he actually wants through the door.

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33 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

No this is a totally different scenario than idiots moaning about ridiculous things.

This is the culmination of 4 years of terrible decisions, from the pathetic attempt at building a premiership team, putting our shot at survival in the hands of gestede, guedioura and Steve Agnew, spending £30m on strikers when we already had bamford, abandoning a £50m project after 6 months. All the way through to trying to pull the wool over our eyes with woodgate and a boatload of bad PR.

We have the people spewing out the ‘gibson pumps money in to keep us afloat!!!’ And the ‘we have to get used to operating on a small budget!!!’ Lines out at us. They don’t stop to think WHY gibson has to pump millions in to keep us  afloat, or WHY we have no money. It’s simply our own fault, gibson has to do that because we got stuck with gestede for 4 years on big wages, because we spent a fortune on players we didn’t really need.

Not all of these decisions are ‘poor in hindsight’, no boro fan thought gestede and guedioura would transform the team, no boro fan thought woodgate would achieve ANYTHING. We knew at the time they were terrible decisions.

BUT that isn’t why people are moaning, we moan now because the people that oversaw not 1 or 2 but 3 shocking periods of this club are ALL still here, the people that seen over £200m pass through the clubs finances are still here. Not only that but we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and when we make a poor decision we make sure we DOUBLE DOWN on it.

People aren’t moaning today just because of the lack of signings or because we can’t afford any of the bigger names. It’s because we’ve been put in this position by people who continue to have positions of power.

There are plus sides however, warnock is probably the most sensible manager we’ve appointed for a while, we apparently have made changes to the scouting set up and I don’t think our squad is as bad as made out, warnock will get a tune out of them. I just hope we can at least get 2 or 3 of the players he actually wants through the door.

No one is disagreeing about the mistakes and downright bad decisions the club has made but we dont need to keep going over it. We can all agree Gibson took his eye off the ball and we have spent both beyond our means for decades but this has only been excerbated by signings that were garbage in the last 4 years plus. 3 of our last 5 managerial choices were downright awful too.

Going over the issues that have got us here is all well and good but its been done to death, we need to talk about what we doing now and what we can do now.

Warnock has came into the club, by all accounts the scouting and recruitment has been looked at and Gill is being moved aside. Information tells us we can offer decent wages but probably not much transfer wise and Warnock has came out and said we are working hard for breakthrough and finding it difficult but the window isnt closed yet. But its clear we are trying to change which is what people have asked for. Unless people specifically want further members of staff (Neil Bausor) fired or the chairman to step aside, I am not sure what more can be done in this moment.

Where it becomes negative is when the disillusionment and not expecting it to get better manifests in doom mongering and panicking when there is still time left in the window and where we have a manager who can improve us

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