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16 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

Except there's no real evidence for this is there? 4 years later, not a single player who was at the club in those days is still here and none of them have had a single negative thing to say about aitor, in fact many have come out in support on various occasions. 

Like I said in my big post on this topic, I think it's pretty clear the players respected what he'd done for him. Most of them did, anyway. I think they, like us, never wanted to stop the positivity of what Aitor had built for this club.

But the fact is he had lost his nut, that positivity had gone. He had no control any more, everything became far too much for him and he was lashing out left, right and centre. No matter how much they loved and respected him for what he'd done to their careers and what they had been part of, I'm pretty sure they knew it had to end. Like I said, massive weight off their shoulders when he left.

Now none of that matters any more. No player bar apparently Downing is going to look back at those years under Karanka now and see anything but how great most of that time was. We all know he made so many of those players better. None of that makes sacking him the wrong decision because how they feel about the past now is almost certainly avoiding the subject of what he was like at his worst.

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15 minutes ago, TheJew said:

George Friend has just signed for Karanka. You know, the true professional, George Friend.

Regardless, the problem is the complete and continued ineptitude from within.

Which also falls in line with what I've said too, a lot of players never forgot what he did for them and given how long it's been since his sacking now, a lot of them would be more than happy to work with him again. Similarly there's a few reasons I feel like Karanka coming back now might not have been so tragic. But still that doesn't make sacking him a bad decision when we did. He's been more out of football than in it since and I think the break has probably been good for him. 

This isn't about hating on Aitor for me, simply looking at the situation at the time and calling it as it was. I didn't do that at the time, I think I was far too hung up on wanting things back the way they were at the height of Karanka's time in charge. It was a pipe dream, back then.

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I think there were serious errors that lead to the pressure on AK. 

Woody was given a send off then supposedly resigning without AK knowing.

The Downing and Rhodes transfers.

Agnew being appointed assistant.

The apparent split in the recruitment team.

Gibson saying we would be challenging for Europe or something along those lines in preseason pit unnecessary pressure and expectations on AK.

A poor summer transfer window where we spent a decent amount on players that weren't that good. 

I think all this and then a really really poor January window tipped AK over the edge and it was clear he either wanted backing or sacking. 

If I could I would have changed the events that led up to his sacking so we could bounce around for a few years but at the time in that situation it was right to let AK go.

Probably the last right decision the club has made until demoting Woody.

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Sacking Karanka would have been acceptable if we'd hired an actual manager to replace him.

Instead we accepted relegation by giving the job to Agnew.

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1 minute ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Sacking Karanka would have been acceptable if we'd hired an actual manager to replace him.

Instead we accepted relegation by giving the job to Agnew.

And that’s what made sacking AK an even stupider decision.

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Just now, BillyWoofs_shinpad said:

And that’s what made sacking AK an even stupider decision.

After the failed Monk experiment SG should have been moving heaven and earth to bring Karanka back. We had the money, as evidenced by how much we paid Pulis!

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1 minute ago, TheHolgate said:

The appointment of Monk and then giving him all the parachute money was THE mistake.

Yeah I was never keen on Monk right from the start, I hated the way that he got rid of the Spanish speaking players and bought in a load of overpriced underachievers. 

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21 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Like I said in my big post on this topic, I think it's pretty clear the players respected what he'd done for him. Most of them did, anyway. I think they, like us, never wanted to stop the positivity of what Aitor had built for this club.

But the fact is he had lost his nut, that positivity had gone. He had no control any more, everything became far too much for him and he was lashing out left, right and centre. No matter how much they loved and respected him for what he'd done to their careers and what they had been part of, I'm pretty sure they knew it had to end. Like I said, massive weight off their shoulders when he left.

Now none of that matters any more. No player bar apparently Downing is going to look back at those years under Karanka now and see anything but how great most of that time was. We all know he made so many of those players better. None of that makes sacking him the wrong decision because how they feel about the past now is almost certainly avoiding the subject of what he was like at his worst.

I think the club and the gazette spun things that way, I don’t think that was the whole truth. 

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It just felt like Gibson was accepting relegation.  Aitor's reign was the best we have had for year's. It ended sour but when it was good it was good and I'd do anything to get back to those good days. The winning mentality he created throughout the club and the togetherness before it unravelled is something I doubt we will see for a long long time. Giving Agnew the job was a disgrace. 

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Just now, BillyWoofs_shinpad said:

I think the club spun and the gazette things that way, I don’t think that was the whole truth. 

Really? I thought it was pretty obvious from his own public appearances that he'd lost it. He didn't need anybody writing stories that way.

If I remember rightly the Gazette tried to spin the January window into being positive for a while and maybe that pro-club mentality annoyed him, the club definitely wanted to be seen as doing everything they could for him, i.e. signing players he wanted 1-2 years ago in the Championship as an indicator of 'doing right by him'. That was a load of crap and an expensive load of crap at that.

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Guy's  I appreciate that there is no transfer news, and respect that what you are discussing is important and linked to our current transfer issues.

However, could you please move the manager and Gibson discussions to a new thread?

All these notifications, with no transfer news are killing me with hope!

 

thanks, no offence intended.

Maz

 

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Steve Gibson is appalling at picking managers.

 

Appointing Warnock was a no brainer btw 

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Back onto transfer news...

I was told earlier in the week we were hopeful of having a midfielder sign on Friday.

I had assumed it was the lad who went to Bristol City, but looking at it was fella from Hull.

He hasnt signed. Maybe the facilities are putting the players off.

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