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20 minutes ago, Snowblind said:

Point is were just on the back of a very positive performance - whether you consider that based on attitude or ability - against a strong Newcastle side. After the dross of last season, a performance like that is a significant step. And came without McNair, Saville, or Fry - so from slightly depleted resources in an already depleted squad. 

Do we need bodies? Yes. Do we have time to get them in? Absolutely. Have the signs of an upturn in communication, understanding of roles, player performances, etc been seen? Yes. But there's a portion of fans who will always find something to moan about. They're the ones who wanted McClaren sacked. Who only remember the negatives aspects of Karanka's reign. Who would moan about Adomah/Kike/Bamford/Clayton/Friend/Leadbitter/endless list.

The absolute nonsense spouted about "awful transfer window" etc is like watching the first 20 mins of a game and going "this is the worst game ever in the history of football." Calm down.

"Give the kids a go!" Vs. "we need experienced leaders"

"Why can't we find the next Vardy" vs. "we should be signing Julio Geordio"

There's posters on here who've said both statements within months of each other. The club can't win. It's Boro. We love them. Stop being so inherently negative all the time for god's sake. There's more to life anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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No this is a totally different scenario than idiots moaning about ridiculous things.

This is the culmination of 4 years of terrible decisions, from the pathetic attempt at building a premiership team, putting our shot at survival in the hands of gestede, guedioura and Steve Agnew, spending £30m on strikers when we already had bamford, abandoning a £50m project after 6 months. All the way through to trying to pull the wool over our eyes with woodgate and a boatload of bad PR.

We have the people spewing out the ‘gibson pumps money in to keep us afloat!!!’ And the ‘we have to get used to operating on a small budget!!!’ Lines out at us. They don’t stop to think WHY gibson has to pump millions in to keep us  afloat, or WHY we have no money. It’s simply our own fault, gibson has to do that because we got stuck with gestede for 4 years on big wages, because we spent a fortune on players we didn’t really need.

Not all of these decisions are ‘poor in hindsight’, no boro fan thought gestede and guedioura would transform the team, no boro fan thought woodgate would achieve ANYTHING. We knew at the time they were terrible decisions.

BUT that isn’t why people are moaning, we moan now because the people that oversaw not 1 or 2 but 3 shocking periods of this club are ALL still here, the people that seen over £200m pass through the clubs finances are still here. Not only that but we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and when we make a poor decision we make sure we DOUBLE DOWN on it.

People aren’t moaning today just because of the lack of signings or because we can’t afford any of the bigger names. It’s because we’ve been put in this position by people who continue to have positions of power.

There are plus sides however, warnock is probably the most sensible manager we’ve appointed for a while, we apparently have made changes to the scouting set up and I don’t think our squad is as bad as made out, warnock will get a tune out of them. I just hope we can at least get 2 or 3 of the players he actually wants through the door.

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33 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

No this is a totally different scenario than idiots moaning about ridiculous things.

This is the culmination of 4 years of terrible decisions, from the pathetic attempt at building a premiership team, putting our shot at survival in the hands of gestede, guedioura and Steve Agnew, spending £30m on strikers when we already had bamford, abandoning a £50m project after 6 months. All the way through to trying to pull the wool over our eyes with woodgate and a boatload of bad PR.

We have the people spewing out the ‘gibson pumps money in to keep us afloat!!!’ And the ‘we have to get used to operating on a small budget!!!’ Lines out at us. They don’t stop to think WHY gibson has to pump millions in to keep us  afloat, or WHY we have no money. It’s simply our own fault, gibson has to do that because we got stuck with gestede for 4 years on big wages, because we spent a fortune on players we didn’t really need.

Not all of these decisions are ‘poor in hindsight’, no boro fan thought gestede and guedioura would transform the team, no boro fan thought woodgate would achieve ANYTHING. We knew at the time they were terrible decisions.

BUT that isn’t why people are moaning, we moan now because the people that oversaw not 1 or 2 but 3 shocking periods of this club are ALL still here, the people that seen over £200m pass through the clubs finances are still here. Not only that but we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and when we make a poor decision we make sure we DOUBLE DOWN on it.

People aren’t moaning today just because of the lack of signings or because we can’t afford any of the bigger names. It’s because we’ve been put in this position by people who continue to have positions of power.

There are plus sides however, warnock is probably the most sensible manager we’ve appointed for a while, we apparently have made changes to the scouting set up and I don’t think our squad is as bad as made out, warnock will get a tune out of them. I just hope we can at least get 2 or 3 of the players he actually wants through the door.

No one is disagreeing about the mistakes and downright bad decisions the club has made but we dont need to keep going over it. We can all agree Gibson took his eye off the ball and we have spent both beyond our means for decades but this has only been excerbated by signings that were garbage in the last 4 years plus. 3 of our last 5 managerial choices were downright awful too.

Going over the issues that have got us here is all well and good but its been done to death, we need to talk about what we doing now and what we can do now.

Warnock has came into the club, by all accounts the scouting and recruitment has been looked at and Gill is being moved aside. Information tells us we can offer decent wages but probably not much transfer wise and Warnock has came out and said we are working hard for breakthrough and finding it difficult but the window isnt closed yet. But its clear we are trying to change which is what people have asked for. Unless people specifically want further members of staff (Neil Bausor) fired or the chairman to step aside, I am not sure what more can be done in this moment.

Where it becomes negative is when the disillusionment and not expecting it to get better manifests in doom mongering and panicking when there is still time left in the window and where we have a manager who can improve us

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I think this new trend of not giving into agents and players wage demands is a refreshing change personally. The club feels like it's going through a reset and it may take a couple of seasons till we're ready to compete again, but if we can get the base of a cheaper squad together that looks like it can compete that's when we should be splashing out looking for those couple of players to give us that x-factor.

At the moment we can't afford anyone that will make our starting 11 better and all of the players suggested so far seem to suggest they were targeted for depth. If that's the case then there's really no rush to get them in at the risk of being taken for a ride. The clubs aim for me at the moment should be sustainability, it's not sexy but it is necessary.

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13 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

No one is disagreeing about the mistakes and downright bad decisions the club has made but we dont need to keep going over it. We can all agree Gibson took his eye off the ball and we have spent both beyond our means for decades but this has only been excerbated by signings that were garbage in the last 4 years plus. 3 of our last 5 managerial choices were downright awful too.

Going over the issues that have got us here is all well and good but its been done to death, we need to talk about what we doing now and what we can do now.

Warnock has came into the club, by all accounts the scouting and recruitment has been looked at and Gill is being moved aside. Information tells us we can offer decent wages but probably not much transfer wise and Warnock has came out and said we are working hard for breakthrough and finding it difficult but the window isnt closed and its clear we are trying to change which is what people have asked for. Unless people specifically want further members of staff (Neil Bausor) fired or the chairman to step aside, I am not sure what more can be done in this moment.

Where it becomes negative is when the disillusionment and not expecting it to get better manifests in doom mongering and panicking when there is still time left in the window and where we have a manager who can improve us

I have zero confidence in it getting better though, I simply can’t get excited over this club any more. After seasons of big promises and let downs I simply don’t care. 
Pulis playing for a 0-0 draw in the play off away leg then waving good buy to the only 2 forwards we had who provided any excitement sucked the passion out of me. We sold our 3 best players and replaced them with dross in positions we were already stocked up in.

We couldn’t and continue to be unable to sign any kind of attacking player. I just don’t care any more.

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Have to say there have been some terrific and very well considered posts made, just goes to show how much passion we have for this shared subject otherwise know as Middlesbrough Football Club.

Very little any of us can do about it save where ever possible to get behind Neil Warnock and those players who represent us in each and every game.

We have something to follow and support through good and bad times which is a plus for me at the moment, in fact the uncertainty of it all is quite exciting as long as we folk feel that the team did their best, made a real effort and played as a team then everything else really does not matter at this time.

I love the Boro, always have and always will until it is my time to go!

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5 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

I have zero confidence in it getting better though, I simply can’t get excited over this club any more. After seasons of big promises and let downs I simply don’t care. 
Pulis playing for a 0-0 draw in the play off away leg then waving good buy to the only 2 forwards we had who provided any excitement sucked the passion out of me. We sold our 3 best players and replaced them with dross in positions we were already stocked up in.

We couldn’t and continue to be unable to sign any kind of attacking player. I just don’t care any more.

But you do really because that is clear to see, the pull of another signing could bandage old wounds

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I know I'm the new boy here but, after a short time following this and other commentaries, I believe I detect a certain amount of muddled thinking.

Have we been through an extended period of poor recruitment, strange decision making, spending too much money on players who weren't up to standard, and too many dreadful match results??  I think yes.  Not very many folk would disagree with that.

But we can't change what's in the past.  It's an entirely different matter to adopt positive mental attitudes now (sorry, I know it's a worn out old cliché), look forward to a brighter season ahead of us, put forward constructive suggestions where probs can be fixed and improvements made (positivity in action), and disregard the pessimistic and defeatist remarks that aim to drag us all down.  I still expect us to be in the top eight at Christmas.  A position we can build on.  Onwards and upwards, as the man said...

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1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

I have zero confidence in it getting better though, I simply can’t get excited over this club any more. After seasons of big promises and let downs I simply don’t care. 
Pulis playing for a 0-0 draw in the play off away leg then waving good buy to the only 2 forwards we had who provided any excitement sucked the passion out of me. We sold our 3 best players and replaced them with dross in positions we were already stocked up in.

We couldn’t and continue to be unable to sign any kind of attacking player. I just don’t care any more.

I do completely understand where your coming from and I desperately hope you and fans alike are given a bit of hope and excitement again. Its pretty indefensible how poor the standard has been for a while now, both on and off the pitch

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1 minute ago, ManBearPig said:

Any news today chums?

Don’t be daft. We’re all more bothered about making a psychoanalysis of Gibson’s private, life-size Subbuteo team  🤣

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5 minutes ago, ManBearPig said:

Any news today chums?

Unfortunately nothing. His press conference may shine some light but don't expect it to be good news tbh,

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6 minutes ago, Herbivorous said:

I know I'm the new boy here but, after a short time following this and other commentaries, I believe I detect a certain amount of muddled thinking.

Have we been through an extended period of poor recruitment, strange decision making, spending too much money on players who weren't up to standard, and too many dreadful match results??  I think yes.  Not very many folk would disagree with that.

But we can't change what's in the past.  It's an entirely different matter to adopt positive mental attitudes now (sorry, I know it's a worn out old cliché), look forward to a brighter season ahead of us, put forward constructive suggestions where probs can be fixed and improvements made (positivity in action), and disregard the pessimistic and defeatist remarks that aim to drag us all down.  I still expect us to be in the top eight at Christmas.  A position we can build on.  Onwards and upwards, as the man said...

People like to moan an I love reading their moans often the moan is exacly how many of us feel, but you are right and I intend not to moan too much becuase we have not played a game yet.

One thing for sure we will not go through what we went through last season, no much worse things to worry about if finances go pear shaped but I live in a happy place with Blanco🙃

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Just now, TeaCider24 said:

The Geordies have bottled it and cancelled the rematch on Monday, hahaha

Pathetic 😛

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