TLF10 4,440 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Considering his last 2 centre back signings have been hall and flint I wouldnt hold my breath! Tbf he also signed Curtis Nelson last summer who has looked very good for Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,218 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 55 minutes ago, TLF10 said: Not sure why people are having a meltdown about Warnocks team selection. He said before Shrewsbury game he would look to make wholesale changes if we progressed given size of squad. This idea he was using tonight's team selection to make a point is ridicuoous because he has already made that point previously. And not only has he made it but its been fully accepted by those above so he does not need to repeat it. Its out there and accepted. Just a case of trying to doing something about it which it seems everyone at club is trying. Because he could have played a different system that suited the players he selected but he didn't. He didn't put them in the best position to succeed and that is *** management. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xathras 178 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 For those blaming Warnock for this, take your glasses off and then start looking closer at the clubs recruitment team and the chairman. The lack of creativity, balance, experience and spine goes back seasons and down to a lack of good recruitment. Thus far Warnock has only brought in 3 players and he's gone on record saying we need several more. The game tonight whilst will upset many was about minutes and Neil said that last night. I don't think he intentionally went to lose but he did say his focus was players with minutes is the main area. The club does need to address the pace, width and creativity. You'll say we have people like Coulson and Spence etc. But they also don't have the game time and experience we want as a club to move forward. Maybe if a league below but not championship. It seems a lot of our fans expect us to by splashing the cash but reality is we have budget that doesn't support. Interesting times .  2 Link to post Share on other sites
Dynamo Kev 1,552 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, TLF10 said: Not sure why people are having a meltdown about Warnocks team selection. He said before Shrewsbury game he would look to make wholesale changes if we progressed given size of squad. This idea he was using tonight's team selection to make a point is ridicuoous because he has already made that point previously. And not only has he made it but its been fully accepted by those above so he does not need to repeat it. Its out there and accepted. Just a case of trying to doing something about it which it seems everyone at club is trying. mate he playing kids out of position isnt he. dijksteel cb? coulson rwb? are examples. he could easily have played dijksteel rwb coulson lwb. and had paddy fry and wood all start. but he never, he played bola who from what i seen tonight isnt anywhere near coulson or marv's standard. that team tonight was a joke. it was *** tactically from the off. and a moan about fry, *** me he seems to be getting worse all the time. all he does is hoof it. Link to post Share on other sites
Dynamo Kev 1,552 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 with that 11 he started we could have played this: dijksteel----fry-----wood-----bola ----------morsy -----wing browne--------tav----------coulson -----------------fletch  just looking at that it seems so much better than that *** 532 2 Link to post Share on other sites
LBP 3,012 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dynamo Kev said: with that 11 he started we could have played this: dijksteel----fry-----wood-----bola ----------morsy -----wing browne--------tav----------coulson -----------------fletch  just looking at that it seems so much better than that *** 532 We're forced to a system because of lack of players, then pick an 11 that doesn't even fit that system it's just so baffling Dijksteel isn't defensive enough to play RB with a winger in front but is defensive enough to play CB?  1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Neverbefore said: Considering his last 2 centre back signings have been hall and flint I wouldnt hold my breath! Are you really writing off Hall after 2 games? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, xathras said: For those blaming Warnock for this, take your glasses off and then start looking closer at the clubs recruitment team and the chairman. The lack of creativity, balance, experience and spine goes back seasons and down to a lack of good recruitment. Thus far Warnock has only brought in 3 players and he's gone on record saying we need several more. The game tonight whilst will upset many was about minutes and Neil said that last night. I don't think he intentionally went to lose but he did say his focus was players with minutes is the main area. The club does need to address the pace, width and creativity. You'll say we have people like Coulson and Spence etc. But they also don't have the game time and experience we want as a club to move forward. Maybe if a league below but not championship. It seems a lot of our fans expect us to by splashing the cash but reality is we have budget that doesn't support. Interesting times .  You also have to want to sign players that fulfil that criteria and it doesn't seem like Warnock actually wants to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, wilsoncgp said: You also have to want to sign players that fulfil that criteria and it doesn't seem like Warnock actually wants to. He's clearly been made aware of the secret embargo we have against signing any player that may be remotely exciting, reportedly as punishment for bringing Antonio Barragan and his throw ins back to the prem Link to post Share on other sites
LinoJo3 3,098 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, xathras said: For those blaming Warnock for this, take your glasses off and then start looking closer at the clubs recruitment team and the chairman. The lack of creativity, balance, experience and spine goes back seasons and down to a lack of good recruitment. Thus far Warnock has only brought in 3 players and he's gone on record saying we need several more. The game tonight whilst will upset many was about minutes and Neil said that last night. I don't think he intentionally went to lose but he did say his focus was players with minutes is the main area. The club does need to address the pace, width and creativity. You'll say we have people like Coulson and Spence etc. But they also don't have the game time and experience we want as a club to move forward. Maybe if a league below but not championship. It seems a lot of our fans expect us to by splashing the cash but reality is we have budget that doesn't support. Interesting times .  Nobody is or ever has expected us to âsplash the cashâ this summer Link to post Share on other sites
LBP 3,012 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said: Nobody is or ever has expected us to âsplash the cashâ this summer Not only that but we don't even need to splash the cash at all, purely because of our garbage recruitment do people say this Then they say the area excludes us from signing a lot of players, again a result of our garbage recruitment Barely any player would see where the majority of our players live and say it's not a nice area, we probably just never get to that stage because the players don't buy into whatever sorry excuse of a club plan/philosophy we try and sell them 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xathras 178 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I beg to differ on the no body expected us to splash cash comment when many fans wanted Gibson and some of the people are quoting murphy and roberts all of which come with a price wage tag? I too would love those players but realistic I see Warnock addressing the spine all three people brought in are known to either be captain level or talkers. Is he trying to address the creativity and pace front? Let's see what happens? I am in no way defending Warnock here. I put the blame of this on recruitment and executive team.  Link to post Share on other sites
sackrobson2 371 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: Coulson doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the side in his current form, I'd rather go with a 4231 with Fletcher, Tav and Spence in the 3 behind Britt. Then with Morsy and Saville as the 2 Bit harsh isnât it? By form you presumably mean his one appearance this season, played out of position?  I like Spence but thereâs a much stronger argument that his form means he doesnât deserve to be in the team rather than using that argument against Coulson who hasnât been given a proper chance yet by the current manager.  Link to post Share on other sites
Tarmo 39 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, sackrobson2 said: Bit harsh isnât it? By form you presumably mean his one appearance this season, played out of position?  I like Spence but thereâs a much stronger argument that his form means he doesnât deserve to be in the team rather than using that argument against Coulson who hasnât been given a proper chance yet by the current manager.  How? Whenâs the last time Coulson had a good game or done anything of note? Last season was hardly a while ago even though Spence struggled a bit defensively against Watford (yes I know as a rwb defending should be his priority) he was still causing problems with his runs, that ball he put across the box was begging to be put away. I feel a bit for Coulson, and he was in unfamiliar position yesterday but heâs shown nothing for ages either going forward or defensively. Hopefully soon he gets a chance on at LWB where itâs a bit more natural to him. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Skinemrippers 894 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I think Coulsonâs form dipped after Fulham away last season. He was given the run around, dropped next match then came back in a more attacking role. Has he played LB or LWB since?  Link to post Share on other sites
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