SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, estonpidge said: @SzilardNemethsCurtains they normally succeed when coming into a successful side, we can't be classed as that, rather than ruin the player with the sink or swim theory I'd prefer a gradual introduction as they are not ready to swim. I get its the ideal but plenty of decent young players whether through academies or through a youth loan can thrive in poorer teams, we just tend to drop players as soon as they go through a poor spell rather than let them develop Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,238 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) Warnock stated he needed to strengthen the spine of the team with leaders. Bettinelli, Hall, Morsy. There's three of your five signings straight off the bat. I'd also say that we don't have a natural, competent full back on our books. Again playing with wing backs utilises what's available to us. Johnson, Coulson, Bola, Spence, Djikesteel. What do you do with these players if you sign 2/3 new full backs? You've ultimately made them redundant and we can't afford that with our squad size. We all know buying wingers/attacking midfielders is difficult a the best of times, not least for a club like us that is now operating with a revised wage structure. Warnock is a pragmatist and he's played the best hand available to him. 10 Link to post Share on other sites
Arskite 75 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 One thing you can say is that with a squad our size, no one can afford to be dropped. So at least they will get their time to develop. Problem is we are banking on them pulling through any rough patches and hoping we don't lose too many points to sub-par performances in the meantime. Seems rather risky. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, estonpidge said: do you do them in leather? Red with a white band round the middle? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Old Codger 3,039 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, estonpidge said: do you do them in leather? no but she does 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I reckon Warnock is trying wing backs because we've been consitently crap trying to play a back 4 for the best part of 4 years now. Shake it up and try something different. Can't say I'm a fan though because he couls have shopped for a 4-3-3 if that's what he really wanted. Dijksteel at RB and not renew Johnson and instead sign a steady LB with Bola/Coulson as competition. I'm faily sure we could have sold a CM like McNair or Wing to fund a wingers. Betinelli Dijksteel-Fry-Hall-New LB Howson-Tav-Morsy Winger-Britt-Winger That's not a lot of work over and entire window. Selling McNair might even go a long way in securing wingers like Roberts and Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Humpty said: I'd also say that we don't have a natural, competent full back on our books. Again playing with wing backs utilises what's available to us. Johnson, Coulson, Bola, Spence, Djikesteel. What do you do with these players if you sign 2/3 new full backs? You've ultimately made them redundant and we can't afford that with our squad size. You don't resign Johnson in the first place, Dijksteel plays RB with Spence as backup while he matures and Coulson is backup to both LB and LW while Bola is in the same place as now - nowhere in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Borodane said: I reckon Warnock is trying wing backs because we've been consitently crap trying to play a back 4 for the best part of 4 years now. Shake it up and try something different. Can't say I'm a fan though because he couls have shopped for a 4-3-3 if that's what he really wanted. Dijksteel at RB and not renew Johnson and instead sign a steady LB with Bola/Coulson as competition. I'm faily sure we could have sold a CM like McNair or Wing to fund a wingers. Betinelli Dijksteel-Fry-Hall-New LB Howson-Tav-Morsy Winger-Britt-Winger That's not a lot of work over and entire window. Selling McNair might even go a long way in securing wingers like Roberts and Murphy. Okay cool so now you have those 3 signings for the spine of the team with the GK, CB, CM. So now you expect us to be able to sign 2 starting calibre wingers - likely 2 more as well because we don't have any backup for that position either, AND a new starting LB. Fine, over the entire window, sure - what do we do before we get them all in (if we were even able to, which lets face it, we wouldn't be) considering the players we have now are definitely not suited to the 433? Link to post Share on other sites
estonpidge 1,442 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, AnglianRed said: Red with a white band round the middle? yes please! Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Brunners said: Okay cool so now you have those 3 signings for the spine of the team with the GK, CB, CM. So now you expect us to be able to sign 2 starting calibre wingers - likely 2 more as well because we don't have any backup for that position either, AND a new starting LB. Fine, over the entire window, sure - what do we do before we get them all in (if we were even able to, which lets face it, we wouldn't be) considering the players we have now are definitely not suited to the 433? I mean you're saying all this like were in a better position now. Were playing a midfielder in the back three, our wing backs (our only width) dont look to be up to the job and theres still zero creativity in the final third. I get your points, neither approach is perfect, but I prefer us to be a bit more adventurous instead of just accepting of the mediocrity. The bar has been set so damn low that were just accepting whatever were given now, grasping at any tiny little positive despite the fact that long term progress looks a far way away. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,238 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Borodane said: You don't resign Johnson in the first place, Dijksteel plays RB with Spence as backup while he matures and Coulson is backup to both LB and LW while Bola is in the same place as now - nowhere in the squad. If you don't resign Johnson you're left with Coulson and Bola at left back niether of which are proven left backs at this level (nor is Johnson btw). Djikesteel hasn't convinced anyone that he's a capable right back at this level and the same goes for Spence, all the while you're waiting for Spence to mature. How does he mature if he's not playing? Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: I mean you're saying all this like were in a better position now. Were playing a midfielder in the back three, our wing backs (our only width) dont look to be up to the job and theres still zero creativity in the final third. I get your points, neither approach is perfect, but I prefer us to be a bit more adventurous instead of just accepting of the mediocrity. The bar has been set so damn low that were just accepting whatever were given now, grasping at any tiny little positive despite the fact that long term progress looks a far way away. I, personally, believe that we are in a better position moving forward with the 352, solely because the 433 would require not only the additions to the spine that he was always going to go for regardless, but a huge investment and influx in players to make it work at all. The 352 works now, even if it does have its flaws. I'm not accepting of the mediocrity, I'm accepting of the financial state of where we are. IMO to make 433 work without starting to square peg / round hole players, you'd need 8-9 signings (including the spinal ones that, again, he was always going to make). For me there are too many risks involved in that. What if you don't get the players in? How much would they all cost, all told? We're not made of money. Also as far as the CM playing in the back 3 goes, lets not pretend McNair hasn't played a lot of CB through his career, even before joining us. It's not like it's unknown that he can play there. Link to post Share on other sites
mendieta420 988 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Borodane said: Betinelli Dijksteel-Fry-Hall-New LB Howson-Tav-Morsy Winger-Britt-Winger That's not a lot of work over and entire window. Selling McNair might even go a long way in securing wingers like Roberts and Murphy. so remind me whos trying to sign mcnair and for how much? stoke took obi mikel over him.. Link to post Share on other sites
Snowblind 1,711 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 GK - Bettinelli CB - Dijksteel CB - Hall CB - Cunningham RWB - McNair LWB - Coulson CM - Morsy CM - Saville AM - Tavernier 10 - Roberts ST - Assombalonga Two signings, creativity from Roberts, Tav, McNair's good deliveries and Coulsons running. Saville to link the midfield roles. That'd do me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
DevKWat 2,365 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Cunningham would be a great signing to play LCB being left footed. Him and Dijksteel as outside centre backs, both physical full backs who are good coming out with the ball. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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