Will 2,958 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, Jamie-H said: I mean the moment that sent him AWOL and got him cut from the senior squad completely. I thought he was training with us before January? That's why we all expected it to happen then. Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie-H 1,322 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Will said: I thought he was training with us before January? That's why we all expected it to happen then. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11932316/ben-gibson-burnley-defender-back-training-with-middlesbrough There was rumours he did some pre season stuff last summer at Rockliffe but Dyche and him just seems to have completely disintegrated after he refused to let him join Watford for what turned out to be petulant reasons to do with not strengthening a rival can't blame Gibson either Dyche knew Gibson would either blow up or wouldn't get a sniff at Burnley anyway yet still blocked the Watford move. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,228 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jamie-H said: Gibson's a 15 million pound asset at a football club ran on very little funds people said we had the leverage when no one else wanted him there's now a white knight club with a bigger budget than us talking to Burnley about potentially not just taking on 66% of the wage burden but recouping their losses to a degree we just can't do. It was Dyche denying Gibson a Watford loan in January that broke the relationship I think as a professional footballer he'll be more than willing to speak to Norwich I don't see this scenario where Burnley have no say in the matter it's all about finances from Burnley's perspective and Gibson's priority is get the eff out of Burnley ASAP any other motivations are irrelevant if one interested party has such a financial edge than the other that's usually the 1 that wins out. You're usually well-reasoned in your approach Jamie, I think you're ignoring a lot of the background to this one though. Every man and his dog seems to know that Gibson wants to come back to Boro and only Boro. No other interested parties have a chance or will probably even want a chance at signing a player who doesn't want to be at their club, the same way Gibson is showing right now he doesn't want to be at Burnley. I'm not convinced he'll be a Boro player at the end of this window but I am convinced that Steve Gibson will do everything in his power to work him a way out, I don't think Ben is going to back down on his demands any time soon so whoever else out there wants him is going to have to take it to the last days of the window or wait until we stop being interested. Do you think Norwich will wait that long for a player who clearly doesn't want to play for them? Either way, there's no chance in my eyes that Gibson moves soon. Burnley aren't going to want to sell or loan for peanuts, Gibson isn't going to want to move anywhere but Boro and this game of chicken is going to go on and on until someone folds and it's rare battles like this are resolved quickly in the transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,931 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, BoroLad2020 said: Cough cough 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie-H 1,322 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: Either way, there's no chance in my eyes that Gibson moves soon. Burnley aren't going to want to sell or loan for peanuts, Gibson isn't going to want to move anywhere but Boro and this game of chicken is going to go on and on until someone folds and it's rare battles like this are resolved quickly in the transfer window. I hope you're wrong on it dragging out I think he needs a proper pre season whether it's us or Norwich, I just think unless it involves a Fry transfer Burnley wont deal with us and if Norwich put up most his wages with a 7.5 million buy option it takes them pretty far down the line I don't think they'd be negotiating if Gibsons agent hadn't given them some encouragement from the get go. Outside of Burnley offering Gibson in a makeweight deal for Fry I don't see him coming back and that scenario is firmly out of our control while Norwich seem very eager to commit financially as soon as possible to bring Gibson to Norfolk if there's persuading to be done it's still in Norwich's control. Link to post Share on other sites
Old Codger 3,039 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 probably being checked for a hernia..... Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I was watching soccer box on sky other day with Michael Owen. I think that is what its called. Gary Neville is like a host of it. Anyway. He asked Owen about leaving Real and he goes I was desperate to go Liverpool. Only club he wanted to return to and he told Real that. Summer comes and Real tell him Newcastle are offering 16m for him and LFC cant afford to go past 10m. So Real told him its either Newcastle or you stay here. I am wondering if Burnley might do something similar with Gibson. They are fully aware he wants to come to Boro but only Norwich are meeting they demands. So for Gibson it could be either Norwich or stay at Burnley?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
scotty189 924 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Pre-Season a week away, sure Warnock will want 2-3 more in before we come back. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,211 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 19 hours ago, tmcc said: so if it wasnt for the release clause, do you think the fee for moore would be 1.8 million still? surely he would command more and wigan would ask for more, i base this argument of the fact that wigan paid 3 million for him in the first place. based on the fact that wigan paid 3 mil, i said his real value may be closer to 4-5 mil which i think wouldnt be an outlandish price to pay for a 10 goal a season striker, he also had 5 assists, so he played 36 games ( not a full season) so hes scoring or assisting pretty much every other game. i just dont think your getting striker like that for less than 3-4 million these days. Sorry mate, I haven't been online since yesterday, not ignoring you. I don't know what the fee would be but if it was much higher than the fee is now then I don't believe there would be a queue of teams supposedly interested in him (that's if there really is a queue to begin with). I wouldn't pay much for him myself but that doesn't mean other people wouldn't of course. I can see why Cardiff are interested because Neil Harris is very much in the mould of Warnock in some respects. I suppose to answer the last point you make, I'd say that I don't want a striker like that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
"KM" 1,653 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just checking whether I can still log in on to the forum. Good Afternoon OneBoro. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_Boro_Till_I_Die 1,178 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Sorry mate, I haven't been online since yesterday, not ignoring you. I don't know what the fee would be but if it was much higher than the fee is now then I don't believe there would be a queue of teams supposedly interested in him (that's if there really is a queue to begin with). I wouldn't pay much for him myself but that doesn't mean other people wouldn't of course. I can see why Cardiff are interested because Neil Harris is very much in the mould of Warnock in some respects. I suppose to answer the last point you make, I'd say that I don't want a striker like that. Me neither. Link to post Share on other sites
Skinemrippers 894 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 It sounds like some players are getting desperate, high and dry without clubs (article in the Gazette about Maddison for example) while others have a load of offers and can hold clubs to ransom a bit. Weird transfer window. I’m sure Warnock would have expected and wanted a lot more signings by now. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, "KM" said: Just checking whether I can still log in on to the forum. Good Afternoon OneBoro. Just in time to go hide in the bushes! Welcome Back! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe 3,543 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, "KM" said: Just checking whether I can still log in on to the forum. Good Afternoon OneBoro. Hey 👋🏽 welcome back KM 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,228 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, TLF10 said: I was watching soccer box on sky other day with Michael Owen. I think that is what its called. Gary Neville is like a host of it. Anyway. He asked Owen about leaving Real and he goes I was desperate to go Liverpool. Only club he wanted to return to and he told Real that. Summer comes and Real tell him Newcastle are offering 16m for him and LFC cant afford to go past 10m. So Real told him its either Newcastle or you stay here. I am wondering if Burnley might do something similar with Gibson. They are fully aware he wants to come to Boro but only Norwich are meeting they demands. So for Gibson it could be either Norwich or stay at Burnley?? That deal was also only completed on deadline day, it's definitely a relevant story and I think should Norwich still be interested on deadline day then there's every chance he makes the move if Burnley say Norwich or nowt. But unlike Newcastle, Norwich aren't trying to sign a big name player and I'm sure they're not gonna play silly buggers until October 5th, 3 weeks into the new season, unless they really are going to struggle to sign somebody else in the mean-time. Given their financial situation, I suspect that won't be the case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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