SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, thatoldchestnut said: They're gaining annoyed fans as it is!!! Well that's never gonna change but no need to double down on it Link to post Share on other sites
Skinemrippers 895 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: In the 9 league games Warnock has been in charge, our wingbacks have the grand total of 0 goals and 1 assist. So both playing to a similar standard. It’s not good enough from either of them, the abuse one of them gets is disproportionate mind you. I’m not Johnson’s biggest fan by any stretch but I think he’s playing better than Spence at the moment. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,365 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Johnson is an average Championship player. We’re an average at best Championship club because of the poor decision-making at the top of our club. If any serious criticism is to be directed anywhere for us having players not good enough to get us promoted such as Johnson, it should be at Gibson and Gill, and absolutely not at Johnson for playing to the level of an average Championship player. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Skinemrippers said: So both playing to a similar standard. It’s not good enough from either of them, the abuse one of them gets is disproportionate mind you. I’m not Johnson’s biggest fan by any stretch but I think he’s playing better than Spence at the moment. I think the biggest difference is 1 of the wingbacks is a 20 year old lad, who has probably played less than 30 games in senior football. The other is a player 9 years senior and has played over 100 games at League 1/Championship level. Who also cost the club allegedly £2.5 Million. Link to post Share on other sites
Dan1234 1,056 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Think its stretching it a little calling Johnson a average championship player. Average league 1 player maybe. Imo another couple of reasons for the Johnson dislike apart from him being crap are he seems to have some sort of hold over Warnock where he'll play him anywhere to get him on the pitch. The other reason is that hes serving as a massive cockblock to Coulson who was our best youngster last season. Ofc those aren't really Johnsons fault, but I'm gonna hold it against him anyways 🙃 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,917 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: I think the biggest difference is 1 of the wingbacks is a 20 year old lad, who has probably played less than 30 games in senior football. The other is a player 9 years senior and has played over 100 games at League 1/Championship level. Who also cost the club allegedly £2.5 Million. Whatever any player costs a club is absolutely nothing to do with them and should not be used as a stick to beat them with. Make any other point you want Dan but the cost shouldn’t come into it 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,347 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Skinemrippers said: So both playing to a similar standard. It’s not good enough from either of them, the abuse one of them gets is disproportionate mind you. I’m not Johnson’s biggest fan by any stretch but I think he’s playing better than Spence at the moment. 37% passing accuracy against Watford. The only player worse than that on either side was Bettinelli. No outfield player that started the game on either side had a lower accuracy than 54%. Two subs - Wing (50%), Navarro (42.9%) had lower than that but still higher than Johnson. It's just one stat of course but it's quite interesting. Some of it is clearly because they are being told to just play it forward, and some of it is because of him crossing the ball, but it's not really good to have a player who gives the ball away almost two out of every three times that he has it. Not making major or blatant mistakes shouldn't be confused for playing well. It's also worth pointing out though that he isn't the only player not playing well. Link to post Share on other sites
DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Blanco said: Whatever any player costs a club is absolutely nothing to do with them and should not be used as a stick to beat them with. Make any other point you want Dan but the cost shouldn’t come into it True, a player is removed from the fee that is being paid for him. And it doesn't have a bearing on their on pitch performance. But it does go show our (MFC's) inefficiencies in the transfer market. Especially in our current climate, where we are clearly having to rein spending in. I did make the point about Johnson having more first team experience, so you'd expect him to be performing at a higher level than Spence. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,917 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: True, a player is removed from the fee that is being paid for him. And it doesn't have a bearing on their on pitch performance. But it does go show our (MFC's) inefficiencies in the transfer market. Especially in our current climate, where we are clearly having to rein spending in. I did make the point about Johnson having more first team experience, so you'd expect him to be performing at a higher level than Spence. Fair enough and I do accept your point about experience 👍 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Dan1234 said: Think its stretching it a little calling Johnson a average championship player. Average league 1 player maybe. Imo another couple of reasons for the Johnson dislike apart from him being crap are he seems to have some sort of hold over Warnock where he'll play him anywhere to get him on the pitch. The other reason is that hes serving as a massive cockblock to Coulson who was our best youngster last season. Ofc those aren't really Johnsons fault, but I'm gonna hold it against him anyways 🙃 He's played like 2 positions 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Riverside94 962 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Whatever happened to Gunter. Wasn’t he heavily linked Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,328 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Riverside94 said: Whatever happened to Gunter. Wasn’t he heavily linked The same with every other link nowhere! seems that players who have actually signed are not to be found either! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ManBearPig 1,853 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Even with wingbacks though, we’re not exactly blessed with people who are good in the air. Britt and Fletch are okay, but not amazing. I think they do an okay job, but that’s not really their game. If we are going for wingbacks then we need to make sure that the players in the box are good in the air. But we still lack creativity in the midfield and wide areas and it doesn’t look like it’s being addressed 😞 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,942 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, ManBearPig said: Even with wingbacks though, we’re not exactly blessed with people who are good in the air. Britt and Fletch are okay, but not amazing. I think they do an okay job, but that’s not really their game. If we are going for wingbacks then we need to make sure that the players in the box are good in the air. But we still lack creativity in the midfield and wide areas and it doesn’t look like it’s being addressed 😞 I do agree with this generally, but when you look at the service from both sides over the last 3 games.. it doesnt really matter how good the players are in the air. Also, we never have more than 1, max 2 players in the box for crosses due to strikers being dragged out wide to try to win long balls. Link to post Share on other sites
thatoldchestnut 583 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 One of the telling factors of this team/squad is which player actually excites you on a regular basis when they gat the ball. I cant think of one! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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