AnglianRed 6,229 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: Lol - indeed. Turns out our fans are remarkably consistent...or have been for the last 10 seasons or so (with the exception of our promotion and PL seasons). Did a bit of digging and turned up these figures: Source: https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2009-2010/1/ Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, edinboro said: One aspect of yesterday gave me some hope. The ability of Tav, Coulson and Spence. They stand out a mile. If we can get Gibson back an outline team might be Pears - sorry but Stojanovic just looks hopeless to me Dijksteel - decent last two games New RC centre back - Fry is going backwards Gibson New LB Howson Saville Coulson Tavernier Spence Fletcher Obviously we need probably 2 strikers, and lots more cover at the back. If Roberts stays I think Warnock can develop him. I worry Fletcher may be the one we can sell but Britt ends up staying. Not sure who will come in for Fry at the moment. Big, big worry is teams try to get any of Tav, Coulson or Spence. I'm perplexed why Wing has been discarded. He scores goals and 2 or 3 times yesterday we had chances in his zone. Seems a shame to just jettison him so quickly. Agree - at least partly. I think we do have at least some of the ingredients for a decent squad. We are just being badly let down in some areas (most notably in defence). As to Wing - yes we all know he CAN fire in those thunderbolts. But he does so very infrequently. He only has 3 (league) goals for the season, compared to 9 for Fletch and 10 for Britt. I think we need to focus on getting service to our strikers, over goalscoring midfielders. If we have the creativity & ability to break teams down, contributions from midfield aren't as important. Right now we only look at this because its been so hard to get goals from our forwards. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,402 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AnglianRed said: Agree - at least partly. I think we do have at least some of the ingredients for a decent squad. We are just being badly let down in some areas (most notably in defence). As to Wing - yes we all know he CAN fire in those thunderbolts. But he does so very infrequently. He only has 3 (league) goals for the season, compared to 9 for Fletch and 10 for Britt. I think we need to focus on getting service to our strikers, over goalscoring midfielders. If we have the creativity & ability to break teams down, contributions from midfield aren't as important. Right now we only look at this because its been so hard to get goals from our forwards. He's scored 7, which is a decent return. Not started a game under Warnock, so I don't expect he'll add to it. Fletcher has 11. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: He's scored 7, which is a decent return. Not started a game under Warnock, so I don't expect he'll add to it. Fletcher has 11. Oops - for some reason I was looking at Tav's stats. 🤦♂️ Still, my argument stands that we should be looking to build a team that can create chances for the guys who are actually paid to score goals. Goals from midfield should be a "nice-to-have" rather than a necessity. Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,886 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, AnglianRed said: Oops - for some reason I was looking at Tav's stats. 🤦♂️ Still, my argument stands that we should be looking to build a team that can create chances for the guys who are actually paid to score goals. Goals from midfield should be a "nice-to-have" rather than a necessity. Disagree regarding goals from Midfield. We should have wide players and at least 1 centre mid capable of 6+ goals a season EACH, not collectively. Tav could do it, so could Roberts and Wing does it. Need to keep these guys on the pitch imo. 4231 with the 3 being occupied by the aforementioned. Link to post Share on other sites
Rioch's Braves 711 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, HoyteForLeftBack said: Just occurred to me, we could get relegated by Wednesday on Wednesday! It’s frigging fate isn’t it..... If it happens it won't be the 1st time they've put us down. Link to post Share on other sites
sanddancer 1,964 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, edinboro said: One aspect of yesterday gave me some hope. The ability of Tav, Coulson and Spence. They stand out a mile. If we can get Gibson back an outline team might be Pears - sorry but Stojanovic just looks hopeless to me Dijksteel - decent last two games New RC centre back - Fry is going backwards Gibson New LB Howson Saville Coulson Tavernier Spence Fletcher Obviously we need probably 2 strikers, and lots more cover at the back. If Roberts stays I think Warnock can develop him. I worry Fletcher may be the one we can sell but Britt ends up staying. Not sure who will come in for Fry at the moment. Big, big worry is teams try to get any of Tav, Coulson or Spence. I'm perplexed why Wing has been discarded. He scores goals and 2 or 3 times yesterday we had chances in his zone. Seems a shame to just jettison him so quickly. He was talked up a lot because he is local and I like Gibson but he was overrated and at best average. Link to post Share on other sites
Rioch's Braves 711 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, sanddancer said: He was talked up a lot because he is local and I like Gibson but he was overrated and at best average. Gibson was an excellent CB in the championship in my opinion, probably overrated with regard to huge price tags some placed on him but would definitely be an asset for us now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, TheJew said: Disagree regarding goals from Midfield. We should have wide players and at least 1 centre mid capable of 6+ goals a season EACH, not collectively. Tav could do it, so could Roberts and Wing does it. Need to keep these guys on the pitch imo. 4231 with the 3 being occupied by the aforementioned. That doesn't detract form the fact the team should be collectively working to make sure our front 2 are getting 15-20 goals EACH in a season. Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, sanddancer said: He was talked up a lot because he is local and I like Gibson but he was overrated and at best average. I accept he was talked up for being local but when you say at best average then if you mean average for PL then i agree. If you mean average for championship then i disagree. He was one of the better Championship CBs all day long for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, edinboro said: One aspect of yesterday gave me some hope. The ability of Tav, Coulson and Spence. They stand out a mile. If we can get Gibson back an outline team might be Pears - sorry but Stojanovic just looks hopeless to me Dijksteel - decent last two games New RC centre back - Fry is going backwards Gibson New LB Howson Saville Coulson Tavernier Spence Fletcher Obviously we need probably 2 strikers, and lots more cover at the back. If Roberts stays I think Warnock can develop him. I worry Fletcher may be the one we can sell but Britt ends up staying. Not sure who will come in for Fry at the moment. Big, big worry is teams try to get any of Tav, Coulson or Spence. I'm perplexed why Wing has been discarded. He scores goals and 2 or 3 times yesterday we had chances in his zone. Seems a shame to just jettison him so quickly. Interesting, I'd keep Stoj over Pears personally. Pears doesn't fill me with confidence at all and bar the communication thing, I think Stoj does everything either as well, or better than Pears does. Pears flaps at things just as much as Stoj does. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see us ditch both and bring in a new keeper. Link to post Share on other sites
RealSlimSladeyy 766 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I’ve always thought our home support is pretty poor but we have decent away support. That’s just my own perception, not based on many facts Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe 3,543 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, RealSlimSladeyy said: I’ve always thought our home support is pretty poor but we have decent away support. That’s just my own perception, not based on many facts Don’t think this is specific to Boro’s home support. Many home fans seem hyper critical to some degree. Whereas away fans tend to enjoy the occasion and feel they need to put on a good show of solidarity to the club they’re following to the one they’re visiting 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Uwe said: Don’t think this is specific to Boro’s home support. Many home fans seem hyper critical to some degree. Whereas away fans tend to enjoy the occasion and feel they need to put on a good show of solidarity to the club they’re following to the one they’re visiting They are usually quite “Merry” by the time they get to the stadium too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sanddancer 1,964 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, TLF10 said: I accept he was talked up for being local but when you say at best average then if you mean average for PL then i agree. If you mean average for championship then i disagree. He was one of the better Championship CBs all day long for me. I’m sorry to disappoint but I don’t and neither do other clubs believe he is Premiership quality. Like I said I support him more so because he put himself on the line and demanded from others, but he is not exceptional there must be average. Of course he is head and shoulders above what the club is in right now. Link to post Share on other sites
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