AnglianRed 6,229 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 2/14/2021 at 4:52 PM, TheJew said: Someone mentioned Eddie Howe. He would be excellent, but would need 3 years minimum. The biggest mistake we made was to sack Karanka when we did. It's been an absolute *** show since then. Second biggest mistake was sacking Southgate when we did. Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, AnglianRed said: Second biggest mistake was sacking Southgate when we did. True, should have been gone the moment relegation was confirmed, if not before. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Southgate's appointment was the start of the slow decline. Southgate's/the club's decision of letting Schwarzer go was probably the biggest nail in the coffin for the relegation season. Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Southgate was another cheap option during a time when finances were being tightened after the excesses of McClaren had left us with a squad full of ageing has beens with no resale value. I don't think the decision to sell Schwarzer was Southgate's and came from higher up https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-schwarzer-opens-up-middlesbrough-18194707 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: True, should have been gone the moment relegation was confirmed, if not before. Southgate should have been sacked after our second season while we were still a Premier league club. The rot had set in by then but an experienced manager might have been able to turn it around. Link to post Share on other sites
Rioch's Braves 711 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 The season Southgate was appointed I was in a bookies just before our1st game of the season, I always remember one of the headlines "back Boro at 8/1 to be relegated with the inexperienced Southgate in charge" everyone could see what was going to happen apart from our chairman. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,363 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 The perfect scenario is to create a new long-term club structure which involves appointing a director of football and head coach. I know this will be absolutely unfathomable to Steve Gibson, but both appointments need to be based upon merit. When appointing the director of football, we'd need someone external like Peter Kenyon to oversee the process and for Gibson to actually listen to their advice, and then Gibson take a step back and let the director of football work without him breathing down his neck. Then the head coach would need to appointed by the director of football to fit into his template; Much in the way Norwich appointed Stewart Webber and then he appointed Daniel Farke. Norwich's owners, including Delia Smith, recognise that they aren't football experts so delegate these key decisions to Stuart Webber. Gibson just rates himself too highly to do this unfortunately. I'm sure there'll be some excellent candidates for the director of football role from the lower Championship teams and League One. Considering the job Orta has done at Leeds and, in comparison, the complete lack of a plan that we've had since 2017 with Karnka to Monk to Pulis to Woodgate to Warnock, we'd have been by far better off keeping him. Gibson should look back at his own mini-Brexit of "taking back control" from them damn pesky European's as highlighting his own unescapable failings at making key strategic football decisions. However, whilst that's the perfect scenario, it's absolutely beyond the realms of possibility as Gibson doesn't have the ability to hand over power and let things operate outside of his control. All the new, exciting, attack-minded football promises have shrivelled and died after a very short while. Monk's was 26 games and Woodgate's was 41 games so I dread to imagine how long the next over ambitious promise lasts for. For the time being I'm happy to give Warnock as long as he wants as I'm terrified of the mess Gibson will make after him. There's going to be a mess created after Warnock leaves, regardless - I'd just rather we got promoted under Warnock first. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Redcar Rioja said: Southgate was another cheap option during a time when finances were being tightened after the excesses of McClaren had left us with a squad full of ageing has beens with no resale value. I don't think the decision to sell Schwarzer was Southgate's and came from higher up https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-schwarzer-opens-up-middlesbrough-18194707 Thats more or less how I remember it. Southgate, although being a rookie and his inexperience being at least partly to blame, was also something of a sacrificial lamb. The fall guy for the club's financial restructuring. I think he was given a rather thankless task (like a couple of more recent ones), but I still believe he was showing promise as a Championship level manager. Anyway...LOTS of water under the bridge since then... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,363 Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Warnock to have a meeting with Gibson next week in which his future will be discussed: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neil-warnock-steve-gibson-meet-19920911 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, p_mards said: Warnock to have a meeting with Gibson next week in which his future will be discussed: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neil-warnock-steve-gibson-meet-19920911 Sounds like the writing is on the wall for Warnock, I’m not surprised after our recent home results, I wonder who Gibbo’s got lined up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, BillyWoofs_shinpad said: Sounds like the writing is on the wall for Warnock, I’m not surprised after our recent home results, I wonder who Gibbo’s got lined up. I doubt very much if Gibbo can afford to have anyone lined up at the minute or to see yet another massive overhaul in the current financial climate. More likely to see Woodgate back for Golden Thread the sequel! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said: I doubt very much if Gibbo can afford to have anyone lined up at the minute or to see yet another massive overhaul in the current financial climate. More likely to see Woodgate back for Golden Thread the sequel! Our performances and results have been hugely inconsistent, but I'd also be very surprised if Gibson is already lining up a replacement...even allowing for the fact Warnock is not a long-term appointment. I don't expect him to be here much more than another season or two at most, but this seems rather premature. I would expect Gibson wants to lay out the club's financial future, as he sees it and discuss how that will dovetail with the footballing side. Interesting to note that NW has offered his services in an "advisory role" once he decides to call it a day as a manager. Guess there is something to those rumours about him taking up a DoF post after all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, AnglianRed said: Our performances and results have been hugely inconsistent, but I'd also be very surprised if Gibson is already lining up a replacement...even allowing for the fact Warnock is not a long-term appointment. I don't expect him to be here much more than another season or two at most, but this seems rather premature. I would expect Gibson wants to lay out the club's financial future, as he sees it and discuss how that will dovetail with the footballing side. Interesting to note that NW has offered his services in an "advisory role" once he decides to call it a day as a manager. Guess there is something to those rumours about him taking up a DoF post after all. At most I would think that they may discuss succession planning to allow for continuity rather than more crash and burn appointments. If that is the case I would hope that Warnock has the final say rather than SG. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,218 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, BillyWoofs_shinpad said: Sounds like the writing is on the wall for Warnock, I’m not surprised after our recent home results, I wonder who Gibbo’s got lined up. No chance. It'll be Warnock, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Changing Times said: No chance. It'll be Warnock, sadly. I know, that was tongue in cheek wishful thinking. I guess there is still a chance that NW will decide he’s not going to stay on. Link to post Share on other sites
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