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Both Waghorn's goals have been from free kicks, so they have actually scored more goals from free kicks (3) than open play (2). if we do concede a foul in a dangerous position, it might well pay to do something different and put people near the posts just to make them think twice about direct shots. Not the accepted thing, but anything that reduces a target area for specialists swings odds towards us. The vital thing in this game is not to think we just have to turn up to win and after all the things they've pulled to gain advantages, I would really like to see karma finally catch up with them, so I want us to be more adventurous but not reckless. If we stick to the man to man marking, then the odds should be with us. Force Rooney to play deep and we can make it even more difficult for them and if we do get our foot on their throat, we have to make sure it stays there.      

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I’ll go with the consensus it would be suicidal to throw caution to the wind and abandon our discipline, but I expect to see what I think is missing, a leader, talking between players, belief and energy. 

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5 hours ago, sanddancer said:

Listen let’s not beat about the bush here because this IS the defining game that will tell us more about the squad, and NW then any game to-date, period. 

Many posters have previously stated we done well against teams around the top, and there is no denying we did take points raising optimism and predictions about playoffs. The playoffs and I think one or two dared predict a top two finish, or was I dreaming, anyway these were based on BORO beating lesser teams. Now here they come because there is no lesser team then Derby.

I’ll say it others won’t. Anything but a win should be seen as abstract failure, period. No excuses, no talk about the referee, weather, subs, set up, NW, weather, just a failure and a huge question mark about our future. 
 

I expect a win, I expect us to bounce back from a horrific unforgettable previous game, I expect the players to prove, express themselves, I expect energy and pace, I expect a lot of players to get the monkey off there back, I expect smiling faces at full time. 
 

A win is expected, a win it has to be! 

And what happens when we say that?

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Haven't been on here in a couple of weeks for personal reasons, but the mood has darkened since I was last on!

We have to be able to beat the worst team in the division, especially while they're in such a state of flux. The fact we can't seem to score a goal even when the opportunity is presented on a silver platter is depressing, but there's no better opportunity for our strikers to live up to their job title than to bag a few tomorrow. This is also a great opportunity to let Roberts build his confidence back up against a fragile defence, rather than bringing him on with ten minutes to go as we hang on for a point.

I echo other people's sentiments about going 433 and pushing Derby up the pitch from the first whistle. If there's such a thing as a must-win game this early in the season, it's Derby - for the confidence a win will bring, and also for the message any other result sends out to the rest of the division.

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5 hours ago, TheJew said:

No Howson or Saville?

4231/433 for me. 

Tav, Roberts and Watmore behind Britt.

Morsy and Howson holding.

Same back 4.

I know Warnock doesn't "do" 4-4-2 and likes to go 4-3-3, but lately we've struggled to create a lot of chances...and haven't been able to take the ones we have made. We also seem to try and play through the middle a lot - only playing the ball out wide if we can't get a shot on goal (by which time the opposition are usually back in numbers).

I know its wishful thinking, but going 4-4-2 and starting with 2 actual wingers might result in more play down the flanks, stretching the opposition defence a bit more, so we don't have to fight through the middle so much.

I expect we will start with 3 up front tomorrow...just have to hope we can catch Derby before they start their recovery.

 

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There you go....

Middlesbrough host Derby County in the Championship on Wednesday night but the visitors’ owner Mel Morris should not expect a warm welcome from counterpart Steve Gibson. In fact, he should probably bring his own sandwiches after Middlesbrough failed with two attempts to take Derby to an English Football League disciplinary hearing last month.

In a case that even the three-strong arbitration panel described as “impenetrable”, Middlesbrough wanted to launch a fresh inquiry into Derby’s spending in the 2018-19 Championship season and join the EFL’s appeal against the verdict this August that cleared Derby of breaching the league’s financial fair play rules.

The panel, comprised of two QCs and a former Supreme Court judge, rejected both applications, ruling that a “non-party” did not have the right to commence an arbitration against a club and Middlesbrough had no right to enter the EFL’s ongoing case against Derby, as the EFL is only challenging their accounting methods, not the sale of their Pride Park stadium to Morris.

It was that controversial transaction in 2018 that sparked the row between the two clubs and their owners, as Derby were the first to spot a loophole in the EFL’s regulations that allowed clubs to offset their operational losses against a one-off profit from the sale of a tangible asset, such as a stadium or training ground.

The league’s spending rules are assessed over three seasons, with clubs allowed to make a maximum loss on their playing budget of £39 million. When Morris (above right) sold Pride Park for £81 million to a subsidiary he owns in June 2018, the £40 million the club banked in their accounts turned what would have been a breach of the “profitability and sustainability” rules between 2016-18 and 2017-19 into a small profit.

Derby made no secret of what they were doing, and the stadium-sale-and-leaseback plan was subsequently copied by Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday. But Gibson (above left) has long questioned the £81 million price tag for Pride Park, an opinion that crystalised when Derby beat Middlesbrough to the division’s final play-off place in 2018-19 by a single point.

They would go on to beat Leeds United in the play-off semi-finals but missed out on a return to the Premier League because of a 2-1 Wembley defeat by Aston Villa.

Middlesbrough then endured a difficult campaign last season as they cut their wage bill and went with a younger squad. The club eventually pulled away from the relegation zone but not before they had sacked their former player Jonathan Woodgate as manager. Now managed by Neil Warnock, Middlesbrough are eighth in the table, four points off the play-off places.

Derby, on the other hand, are in last place and have just parted company with their manager Phillip Cocu. Morris is also on the verge of selling the club to Dubai-based businessman and minor United Arab Emirate royal Sheikh Khaled.

That deal has been agreed in principle for over a month and Sheikh Khaled has passed the EFL’s owners’ and directors’ test but the takeover has not been completed yet. The club’s precarious league position will undoubtedly be a factor in the hold-up, as will the possibility of expensive legal action by Gibson.

He and Morris, both self-made multimillionaires who went on to buy their local football clubs, have been sparring about Pride Park’s valuation, clubs’ apparent overspending and the league’s rules for more than 18 months, with Gibson telling the EFL in May 2019 that he would sue the league if it did not take action against Derby.

That action eventually ensued when the EFL started proceedings against Derby six months later. The EFL’s case was based on two issues: the £81 million price tag and Derby’s unusual method of accounting for transfer spending.

That case took 11 months to be decided, as Derby contested the process every step of the way, including an attempt to have the matter thrown out because they believed the EFL was only prosecuting the case because of Middlesbrough’s legal threat.

That argument did not work but the East Midlands club, and their high-profile barrister Nick De Marco QC, claimed a resounding victory in August when another independent panel cleared Derby completely on the Pride Park charge and found them guilty of only one of five rules breaches in relation to their accounting methods.

The league has admitted defeat on the stadium issue but is appealing against the ruling on how Derby have been amortising the values of their players. The fact the EFL is not challenging the valuation of Pride Park is the reason the most recent arbitration panel rejected Middlesbrough’s request to join the appeal, as the club have only ever questioned the stadium sale, not the amortisation policy.

Neither the EFL, Derby nor Middlesbrough wished to comment on the case.

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Sadly this is not a red button game only way to watch is to pay the £10.00 to MFC or watch goals as they go in on Sky Sports

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7 minutes ago, BillyWoofs_shinpad said:


There you go....

Middlesbrough host Derby County in the Championship on Wednesday night but the visitors’ owner Mel Morris should not expect a warm welcome from counterpart Steve Gibson. In fact, he should probably bring his own sandwiches after Middlesbrough failed with two attempts to take Derby to an English Football League disciplinary hearing last month.

In a case that even the three-strong arbitration panel described as “impenetrable”, Middlesbrough wanted to launch a fresh inquiry into Derby’s spending in the 2018-19 Championship season and join the EFL’s appeal against the verdict this August that cleared Derby of breaching the league’s financial fair play rules.

The panel, comprised of two QCs and a former Supreme Court judge, rejected both applications, ruling that a “non-party” did not have the right to commence an arbitration against a club and Middlesbrough had no right to enter the EFL’s ongoing case against Derby, as the EFL is only challenging their accounting methods, not the sale of their Pride Park stadium to Morris.

It was that controversial transaction in 2018 that sparked the row between the two clubs and their owners, as Derby were the first to spot a loophole in the EFL’s regulations that allowed clubs to offset their operational losses against a one-off profit from the sale of a tangible asset, such as a stadium or training ground.

The league’s spending rules are assessed over three seasons, with clubs allowed to make a maximum loss on their playing budget of £39 million. When Morris (above right) sold Pride Park for £81 million to a subsidiary he owns in June 2018, the £40 million the club banked in their accounts turned what would have been a breach of the “profitability and sustainability” rules between 2016-18 and 2017-19 into a small profit.

Derby made no secret of what they were doing, and the stadium-sale-and-leaseback plan was subsequently copied by Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday. But Gibson (above left) has long questioned the £81 million price tag for Pride Park, an opinion that crystalised when Derby beat Middlesbrough to the division’s final play-off place in 2018-19 by a single point.

They would go on to beat Leeds United in the play-off semi-finals but missed out on a return to the Premier League because of a 2-1 Wembley defeat by Aston Villa.

Middlesbrough then endured a difficult campaign last season as they cut their wage bill and went with a younger squad. The club eventually pulled away from the relegation zone but not before they had sacked their former player Jonathan Woodgate as manager. Now managed by Neil Warnock, Middlesbrough are eighth in the table, four points off the play-off places.

Derby, on the other hand, are in last place and have just parted company with their manager Phillip Cocu. Morris is also on the verge of selling the club to Dubai-based businessman and minor United Arab Emirate royal Sheikh Khaled.

That deal has been agreed in principle for over a month and Sheikh Khaled has passed the EFL’s owners’ and directors’ test but the takeover has not been completed yet. The club’s precarious league position will undoubtedly be a factor in the hold-up, as will the possibility of expensive legal action by Gibson.

He and Morris, both self-made multimillionaires who went on to buy their local football clubs, have been sparring about Pride Park’s valuation, clubs’ apparent overspending and the league’s rules for more than 18 months, with Gibson telling the EFL in May 2019 that he would sue the league if it did not take action against Derby.

That action eventually ensued when the EFL started proceedings against Derby six months later. The EFL’s case was based on two issues: the £81 million price tag and Derby’s unusual method of accounting for transfer spending.

That case took 11 months to be decided, as Derby contested the process every step of the way, including an attempt to have the matter thrown out because they believed the EFL was only prosecuting the case because of Middlesbrough’s legal threat.

That argument did not work but the East Midlands club, and their high-profile barrister Nick De Marco QC, claimed a resounding victory in August when another independent panel cleared Derby completely on the Pride Park charge and found them guilty of only one of five rules breaches in relation to their accounting methods.

The league has admitted defeat on the stadium issue but is appealing against the ruling on how Derby have been amortising the values of their players. The fact the EFL is not challenging the valuation of Pride Park is the reason the most recent arbitration panel rejected Middlesbrough’s request to join the appeal, as the club have only ever questioned the stadium sale, not the amortisation policy.

Neither the EFL, Derby nor Middlesbrough wished to comment on the case.

Thanks for that. What a mess that situation is! 

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7 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

Having a read of their forum, they don't seem to like us much 🙂

the feeling is mutual.

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Mel Morris knows very well Gibson will not give up. He will find a way of getting some pay back. It sounds like his threat of action is enough to out off buyers. That may in turn send them down. If he wants to carry on going for them let them keep having to push back. Gibson generally wins.

On the game, surely we should win. I would go with Watmore and Roberts. Morsy still out I think.

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