Dan_Boro_Till_I_Die 1,179 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I don't understand how Roberts hasn't even been given more time of the bench even if we're winning. He's played Coulson and Spence ahead of him which i don't think is any better. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
DurhamRed 2,043 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The thing is we had manager after manager wanting to sign wingers but theb when we have winger in Roberts or Harrison on loan they just sit on bench Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,401 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) I think it's abundantly clear from Warnock's comments that Roberts just doesn't work hard enough in training, or worse that he has a bad attitude. Saying Roberts needs to knuckle down to work his way in to Warnock's thinking. You can say he's got more natural ability than the players coming on ahead of him, so that shouldn't matter, but I think that's a huge part of it. He's not done anything in the 3 games he actually has started this season to outweigh that. Edited January 23, 2021 by TeaCider24 Link to post Share on other sites
GrimsbyBoro 1,959 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: And just to build on that - some further stats on last season - He averaged 1.9 key passes a game. The next best was 1.3 for Marv. The literal definition of a key pass is the pass before a shot. So he does create chances. He averaged 2 dribbles per game. The next best was 1.6 from Hayden coulson. His pass success was 77.7%. the only players still at the club who bettered that are saville, McNair and wood who will all be making much safer passes in defensive areas. People see what they want to see and ignore the facts. Stats aren't everything but they're a damn good indicator of how effective a player actually is. Stats have warped peoples view of the game. A key pass is the most useless championship manager style stat. A winger passes it backwards 20 yards to team mate on the half way line who chips the keeper and scores and that’s a key pass. Was it the wingers creativity and key pass that lead to the goal? a winger puts a ball into ‘the red zone’ but the striker trips and that doesn’t count as a key pass. Does this make the pass poor? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
uncle_rico 387 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Lad on flyme reckons we’re unveiling a player at half time tomorrow. Not sure who we’d be unveiling him to like, but I for one am excited. Nelson would be class btw, and fits with what NW has been hinting. He could be the one who has 3 or 4 potential suitors? Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: I think it's abundantly clear from Warnock's comments that Roberts just doesn't work hard enough in training, or worse that he has a bad attitude. Saying Roberts needs to knuckle down to work his way in to Warnock's thinking. You can say he's got more natural ability than the players coming on ahead of him, so that shouldn't matter, but I think that's a huge part of it. He's not done anything in the 3 games he actually has started this season to outweigh that. Saville was awful for 2 full seasons before coming good this season. McNair was really poor for parts of last season. 3 starts spread sporadically over 5 months is hardly enough of a chance, come on. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,401 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Saville was awful for 2 full seasons before coming good this season. McNair was really poor for parts of last season. 3 starts spread sporadically over 5 months is hardly enough of a chance, come on. I'm guessing they tried hard in training under Warnock. Roberts' 3 starts were all within a month of each other, and across 8 games, so they were't that sporadic. There's clearly a reason he's never started again since the Derby match, a game we won comfortably. Bola and Browne managed to work their way in to the manager's thinking after being sidelined, so I don't think it's that he just won't alter his opinion of someone. Edited January 23, 2021 by TeaCider24 Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, GrimsbyBoro said: Stats have warped peoples view of the game. A key pass is the most useless championship manager style stat. A winger passes it backwards 20 yards to team mate on the half way line who chips the keeper and scores and that’s a key pass. Was it the wingers creativity and key pass that lead to the goal? a winger puts a ball into ‘the red zone’ but the striker trips and that doesn’t count as a key pass. Does this make the pass poor? That's why you don't look at stats for one part of the game, you look at it over the course of 10 games or a full season, you get a better picture that way. And the fact his Patrick roberts, when on the pitch, sets up more shooting chances than anyone else in our squad. Link to post Share on other sites
boksicdink 1,937 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, uncle_rico said: Lad on flyme reckons we’re unveiling a player at half time tomorrow. Not sure who we’d be unveiling him to like, but I for one am excited. Nelson would be class btw, and fits with what NW has been hinting. He could be the one who has 3 or 4 potential suitors? we've not had a HT unveiling since Danny Mills and Mendi together... Seems extra pointless in the social media age with no fans at the ground. Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,331 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 A half time unveiling wouldn’t even make sense really. There isn’t any fans there 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe 3,543 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just watching the Bristol city v Millwall game and they could keep Diedhiou (although he scored a penalty) but that Semanyo looks hell of a player Link to post Share on other sites
BoroSmoggie 2,678 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It would be good if we are 4-0 up at half time. But seems silly/pointless otherwise. Can’t see it being true tbh Link to post Share on other sites
mendieta420 988 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Noticed Sam Stubbs got released by Fleetwood. I remember some on here that thought he should be playing for us.. Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Ahhhh i did love a half time unveiling. Link to post Share on other sites
Mfcdanny 770 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, mendieta420 said: Noticed Sam Stubbs got released by Fleetwood. I remember some on here that thought he should be playing for us.. It happens with alot of youtb players that leave. But can you think of one that we have let go in recent times and has actually done anything. Same was said for ben liddle. Im sure he dosnt get much of a look in for bristol rovers Link to post Share on other sites
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