RiversideRed 1,216 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: This thread has turned into a rogue one, what's going on? Absolute nothing that's why it's getting derailed. Link to post Share on other sites
ScarBoro 836 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Don’t know if it’s been mentioned on here, amongst all the Star Wars stuff, but Ciaron Brown of Cardiff is out for up to a month, injured. It explains why he didn’t appear in Carabao Cup game. Either means he’s odds on to come here, or we will have moved on to other targets - maybe why we’ve been reported as interested in Guinness- Walker? Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,218 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, newyddion said: The point I would like to make is the TWO main positions we need to replace and improve on only brought in 11ish goals, the bar is set quite low in my opinion and I don’t see it as an impossible task to replace the contributions from Britt and Johnson. That's kinda the point though, isn't it? The bar is set quite low, if we are just compared to last season, but compared to what we might need to actually challenge for the top six, the improvement we will likely need is going to be greater than that. So as an example, We scored 55 goals last season, and conceded 53. As a general rule that isn't good enough to win promotion. On the odd occasion something similar has been able to get it done (Huddersfield 2016/17, 56 for 58 against) but usually it's not enough. Barnsley finished 5th last season with 58/50 but obviously couldn't get further than that. So we've lost Assombalonga, Fletcher, Bolasie, Saville, Johnson, Kebano, Mendez-Laing, Wing. That's 22 goals. Browne and Akpom add another 7 from last season and aren't likely to be involved much so that's 29 goals. They've been replaced currently by Crooks, Ikpeazu, Payero and Jones with hopefully another few to follow. They don't only need to replace 29 goals, they really need to add another 20 on top of that, so now we're looking for close to 50 goals from Crooks, Ikpeazu, Payero, Jones, and whoever else ends up coming in. That's assuming everything else stays roughly the same such as defensive record, and goals from other players. Of course you can improve your defensive record to make yourself a better team, but at the moment we can't say we've done that. Maybe Lumley improves us a bit or maybe he doesn't but it's difficult to look at our other additions and say with any certainty that we're a better team as it stands. More depth at the back perhaps but not more quality, and no improvement to defensive midfield either. We're looking to find about 20 goals from somewhere this season, either from scoring more or conceding fewer, but that's additional goals, not simply replacing those we've lost as players have moved on. I'm optimistic in the sense that I believe we should end up being more effective this season than last but we've got some work to do in order to get to that point. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Snowblind 1,711 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Changing Times said: That's kinda the point though, isn't it? The bar is set quite low, if we are just compared to last season, but compared to what we might need to actually challenge for the top six, the improvement we will likely need is going to be greater than that. So as an example, We scored 55 goals last season, and conceded 53. As a general rule that isn't good enough to win promotion. On the odd occasion something similar has been able to get it done (Huddersfield 2016/17, 56 for 58 against) but usually it's not enough. Barnsley finished 5th last season with 58/50 but obviously couldn't get further than that. So we've lost Assombalonga, Fletcher, Bolasie, Saville, Johnson, Kebano, Mendez-Laing, Wing. That's 22 goals. Browne and Akpom add another 7 from last season and aren't likely to be involved much so that's 29 goals. They've been replaced currently by Crooks, Ikpeazu, Payero and Jones with hopefully another few to follow. They don't only need to replace 29 goals, they really need to add another 20 on top of that, so now we're looking for close to 50 goals from Crooks, Ikpeazu, Payero, Jones, and whoever else ends up coming in. That's assuming everything else stays roughly the same such as defensive record, and goals from other players. Of course you can improve your defensive record to make yourself a better team, but at the moment we can't say we've done that. Maybe Lumley improves us a bit or maybe he doesn't but it's difficult to look at our other additions and say with any certainty that we're a better team as it stands. More depth at the back perhaps but not more quality, and no improvement to defensive midfield either. We're looking to find about 20 goals from somewhere this season, either from scoring more or conceding fewer, but that's additional goals, not simply replacing those we've lost as players have moved on. I'm optimistic in the sense that I believe we should end up being more effective this season than last but we've got some work to do in order to get to that point. Howay CT, man - I don't see one Star Wars pun in there... As efforts go that's prequel level. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, newyddion said: They’re in a bit of a bad way financially Inter Milan financially. ..still can’t believe that little meff chose Fulham over Boro!! Good thing you are big enough to not act all bitter Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,401 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ScarBoro said: Don’t know if it’s been mentioned on here, amongst all the Star Wars stuff, but Ciaron Brown of Cardiff is out for up to a month, injured. It explains why he didn’t appear in Carabao Cup game. Either means he’s odds on to come here, or we will have moved on to other targets - maybe why we’ve been reported as interested in Guinness- Walker? Yeah, Guinness-Walker is our new hope. Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,900 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: Yeah, Guinness-Walker is our new hope. I feckin love Guinness and the oul Walker crisps aren’t the worst either 😃 Link to post Share on other sites
Smogzilla 7,385 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,331 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smogzilla said: Only played the other day I think. Strange that he would move if that close to a move Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,331 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Akpom not there in the squad, must be going. Doubt he still has covid, if he did have it Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, BoroJake said: Akpom not there, must be going. Doubt he still has covid, if he did have it He's got "COVID" apparently. Link to post Share on other sites
Hendrie_7 1,068 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Sunderland have just signed a young left back from Spurs, which might mean they've given up on Denver Hume signing a new contract. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 2,565 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I have been told that there is a potential new signing staying at Rockcliffe, but as usual my tittle tattle is far too flaky to stretch to an actual name. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
scotty189 925 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, CrazyL said: I have been told that there is a potential new signing staying at Rockcliffe, but as usual my tittle tattle is far too flaky to stretch to an actual name. I'll settle for flaky need some news after that shower of *** Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, CrazyL said: I have been told that there is a potential new signing staying at Rockcliffe, but as usual my tittle tattle is far too flaky to stretch to an actual name. Did he turn up in a big MintBox Removals van by any chance? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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