boksicdink 1,937 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Another thing, people are saying that some lad from the 6th tier is ready to play because Warnock fancies him over Martin Present, that lad is English, he speaks English. Payero by the sounds of it, doesn’t understand a word of what is going on. Van Bergen and Sporar have decent levels of English so let’s hope that these “presents” get unwrapped sooner. Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, boksicdink said: The only player I think Gibson may have actively been involved in was Downing but Karanka would have still said yes to it. I'm pretty sure Karanka didn't just say "Yes" to it hence the fracture in the dressing room and Downing knowing he wasn't wanted. Then there are Forshaw and Rhodes mentioned previously who appeared to not be Karanka type signings and don't get me started on Gestede and Guedioura which were the straws that finished any hope of us staying up as well as finishing off Karanka. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
boksicdink 1,937 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said: I'm pretty sure Karanka didn't just say "Yes" to it hence the fracture in the dressing room and Downing knowing he wasn't wanted. Then there are Forshaw and Rhodes mentioned previously who appeared to not be Karanka type signings and don't get me started on Gestede and Guedioura which were the straws that finished any hope of us staying up as well as finishing off Karanka. I don’t know about Forshaw, he seems to be everything Karanka was about i.e. short sideways passing etc. Who knows what went on with that window in January with Gestede and Guedioura - literally none of it makes sense! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,397 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neil-warnocks-frank-chuba-akpom-21371588 Warnock confirms that Akpom wasn't in the squad yesterday because of how poor he was off the bench against QPR and that he wants him to find a move away from the club before the window shuts. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
boksicdink 1,937 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neil-warnocks-frank-chuba-akpom-21371588 Warnock confirms that Akpom wasn't in the squad yesterday because of how poor he was off the bench against QPR and that he wants him to find a move away from the club before the window shuts. He must be going soon. I can’t remember us ever having a manager who has disrespected a player so much in public as Warnock has with Akpom, it’s quite shocking in this day and age of talking in cliches and not giving anything away…having said that he is garbage 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Riverside94 952 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said: There are a few issues for me, one is that the way the team was set up yesterday was a confused mess. Dijksteel looked like a fish out of water and Peltier looked off the pace as did Tavernier who wasn't fit and as a consequence our entire right side was banjaxed before we even kicked a ball. Morsy was restored but to a midfield that was a new set up and with frustration getting the better of him looked to have lost control and composure early on. Ironically it was only when Howson came on that we looked more settled and had the upper hand. Payero may or may not be up to speed, nobody on here really knows but Bolasie wasn't up to speed for months when he arrived but got game time. Tav clearly wasn't up to speed yesterday and whilst Spence hadn't been particularly great he and Dijksteel had at least finally looked solid with a bit of understanding developing and a threat but our Manager dismantled that right flank to effectively an eccentric weaker and unnecessarily disrupted set up. After that second 45 against QPR where 10 men took the game to us and won we as fans expected a fightback. That result and the nature of it must have hurt the players as much as the fans but you wouldn't think it watching yesterday's powderpuff performance. Coming out of the blocks looking dazed and lost instead of snarling and looking to put the Rams to the sword. We wanted to see Jones, Crooks, Ikpeazu and Tav/Spence tear into them instead they bleated like Lambs for the first half and never troubled their Keeper in the second half. Even the rose tinted Gazette gave Lumley the MOM, how poor is that considering the opposition and the recent "history" between the two clubs. There were far too many players way below par caused in part by a selection of tactics that disrupted and knobbled ourselves before a ball was kicked. The responsibility for that lies with the Manager, even the Ref couldn't be used for deflection purposes to mask the considerable failings all over the pitch. Agree the lineup was very confusing and midfield seemed missing at times. Spence had his best game in a while at QPR and I thought we would maybe see Bamba at CB but wasn’t on the bench. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Maz 2,899 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Riverside94 said: Agree the lineup was very confusing and midfield seemed missing at times. Spence had his best game in a while at QPR and I thought we would maybe see Bamba at CB but wasn’t on the bench. Think Dijksteel primarily played to make sure someone tracked Forsyth on his runs forward, rather than attack himself. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,397 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, boksicdink said: He must be going soon. I can’t remember us ever having a manager who has disrespected a player so much in public as Warnock has with Akpom, it’s quite shocking in this day and age of talking in cliches and not giving anything away…having said that he is garbage Yeah, I'm not a fan of the way he's went about it, it's going to be incredibly uncomfortable if he doesn't manage to get a move. Hopefully it's a permanent one, as I'd sooner have a clean break. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ph. 54 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, boksicdink said: Another thing, people are saying that some lad from the 6th tier is ready to play because Warnock fancies him over Martin Present, that lad is English, he speaks English. Payero by the sounds of it, doesn’t understand a word of what is going on. Van Bergen and Sporar have decent levels of English so let’s hope that these “presents” get unwrapped sooner. Was thinking the same, lad will take at least 6 months to pick up the language, banter, etc. Even longer if he is an introvert. Watched the full games where Payero played a part during the Olympics. It was just 1.5 games, so hardly representative and conclusive, but in those games at least, didn't strike me as Payero will be the next Buendia. Looks more of a central midfielder who likes to drive forward occasionally, but doesn't appear to have the tenacity or will contribute much defensively. So certainly can see why NW will take his time and err on the side of caution to allow Payero to get used to his new surrounds and pace of the Championship. Do expect the English speakers like Sporar and Van Berger to be able to hit the ground much faster though. Fingers cross we can get them across the line. And hopefully the fan excitement of bringing onboard some Latin and Continental unknowns can translate to actual performances on the pitch! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Johnson 612 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I like a lot of others am not a fan of Akpom. However the way Warnock has hung him out to dry leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. why do it? Shows a distinct lack of class. Not a great advert for anyone thinking of joining us. What it demonstrates to me is Warnock is looking for a scapegoat- and Akpom is just that. Our problems are deeper than just him. Why is it our club lurches from one issue to another? Touching on Warnock and him staying and lasting the season out- it will be his decision of that I am sure. If he realises he is making a pigs ear of things Christmas could well be decision time for him I feel. The cracks are already materialising. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Ayresome7 said: What is it 7 promotions in 41 years? 8 apparently, but they include his promotion with Scarborough from the conference as a promotion in the EFL. So 8 promotions in 41 years. For comparison Darren Ferguson has 5 promotions in 14 years. Nigel Adkins has 4 in 15 years and Simon Grayson has 4 in 16 years. Half the amount of promotions in well under half the amount of time. This whole thing of NW being a promotion specialist doesn't exactly wash with me. I feel like if anyone managed for 41 years, they'd get similar numbers, as illustrated with the 3 mangers compared above. None are exactly "world class" in my opinion, yet they'll probably overtake the amount of promotions NW has if given another 20 years. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said: There are a few issues for me, one is that the way the team was set up yesterday was a confused mess. Dijksteel looked like a fish out of water and Peltier looked off the pace as did Tavernier who wasn't fit and as a consequence our entire right side was banjaxed before we even kicked a ball. Morsy was restored but to a midfield that was a new set up and with frustration getting the better of him looked to have lost control and composure early on. Ironically it was only when Howson came on that we looked more settled and had the upper hand. Payero may or may not be up to speed, nobody on here really knows but Bolasie wasn't up to speed for months when he arrived but got game time. Tav clearly wasn't up to speed yesterday and whilst Spence hadn't been particularly great he and Dijksteel had at least finally looked solid with a bit of understanding developing and a threat but our Manager dismantled that right flank to effectively an eccentric weaker and unnecessarily disrupted set up. After that second 45 against QPR where 10 men took the game to us and won we as fans expected a fightback. That result and the nature of it must have hurt the players as much as the fans but you wouldn't think it watching yesterday's powderpuff performance. Coming out of the blocks looking dazed and lost instead of snarling and looking to put the Rams to the sword. We wanted to see Jones, Crooks, Ikpeazu and Tav/Spence tear into them instead they bleated like Lambs for the first half and never troubled their Keeper in the second half. Even the rose tinted Gazette gave Lumley the MOM, how poor is that considering the opposition and the recent "history" between the two clubs. There were far too many players way below par caused in part by a selection of tactics that disrupted and knobbled ourselves before a ball was kicked. The responsibility for that lies with the Manager, even the Ref couldn't be used for deflection purposes to mask the considerable failings all over the pitch. Apart from those things I thought we did ok. Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,175 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: 8 apparently, but they include his promotion with Scarborough from the conference as a promotion in the EFL. So 8 promotions in 41 years. For comparison Darren Ferguson has 5 promotions in 14 years. Nigel Adkins has 4 in 15 years and Simon Grayson has 4 in 16 years. Half the amount of promotions in well under half the amount of time. This whole thing of NW being a promotion specialist doesn't exactly wash with me. I feel like if anyone managed for 41 years, they'd get similar numbers, as illustrated with the 3 mangers compared above. None are exactly "world class" in my opinion, yet they'll probably overtake the amount of promotions NW has if given another 20 years. And not one of thse teams went onto set the footballing world on fire and reach the big prizes. How many of those teams then went back to where they came from shortly afterwards. Last season under NW was probably the best for us to achieve promotion but we screwed up getting into top 6 so badly 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, ph. said: Was thinking the same, lad will take at least 6 months to pick up the language, banter, etc. Even longer if he is an introvert. Watched the full games where Payero played a part during the Olympics. It was just 1.5 games, so hardly representative and conclusive, but in those games at least, didn't strike me as Payero will be the next Buendia. Looks more of a central midfielder who likes to drive forward occasionally, but doesn't appear to have the tenacity or will contribute much defensively. So certainly can see why NW will take his time and err on the side of caution to allow Payero to get used to his new surrounds and pace of the Championship. Do expect the English speakers like Sporar and Van Berger to be able to hit the ground much faster though. Fingers cross we can get them across the line. And hopefully the fan excitement of bringing onboard some Latin and Continental unknowns can translate to actual performances on the pitch! The types of signings we are making from abroad are positive and there's better value doing that than buying domestically. I'd say the odds of hitting on a foreign player are lower though with all the difficulties that come with adjusting to a new country amongst other things. With the likes of Payero, Sporar and Van Bergen the likelihood is that maybe one of them will become a success and the others will end up like Akpom as squad players who eventually get moved on. The odds of hitting on all your signings is pretty low. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: 8 apparently, but they include his promotion with Scarborough from the conference as a promotion in the EFL. So 8 promotions in 41 years. For comparison Darren Ferguson has 5 promotions in 14 years. Nigel Adkins has 4 in 15 years and Simon Grayson has 4 in 16 years. Half the amount of promotions in well under half the amount of time. This whole thing of NW being a promotion specialist doesn't exactly wash with me. I feel like if anyone managed for 41 years, they'd get similar numbers, as illustrated with the 3 mangers compared above. None are exactly "world class" in my opinion, yet they'll probably overtake the amount of promotions NW has if given another 20 years. Steve Bruce 4 promotions in 23 years and more seasons managed in the top flight. Warnock is old school, he knows how to make a team solid, he's good at buying solid British players and moulding a team. His football isn't always going to be pleasing on the eye but if we give him enough seasons he's probably going to have us up there competing eventually. The problem with the current situation is how many more seasons does he have left in him and do we want to watch his brand of football for a long period of time. Warnock was the perfect appointment after Woodgate because we were a mess and heading for relegation. Does he seem like the future of the club, I dont think so but I think he'll be here until May and Gibson will accept another season of consolidation. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
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