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7 minutes ago, ManBearPig said:

The only sour note for me this season so far is Warnocks resistance to bring on Payero when games are at 0-0. Or indeed his reliance on ‘his players’. He’s damned if he does ans then if it goes tits up people will still come out and question why he brought him on 🤣

I think from seeing the frustration from fans about Warnock being stubborn about not playing Payero until "he's ready" that things will very quickly bubble over if he gives Sporar and Siliki the same treatment.

Probably not enough for Gibson to actually sack him, but yeah....it won't be pretty.

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Offer has been accepted bauser has had his critics but he has pulled masterstrokes on both of these.  Now over to you Leo!  Payero small issues look sorted should be an announcement tomorrow or f

Gibson doing a Gibson. Having another punt, pushing for Bolasie, this Argentinian and money available for a couple more. (Not a lot though) Spence going for £5m

Not been keeping up but Sporar should be sorted by Tuesday 

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10 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

I think Besic back on a sensible deal would be good. 

I think under Warnock he would be a decent depth option - he was so good that first spell with us

Don’t need him, may as well have kept Morsy.

LB and a forward is all we need 

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30 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

I do also think people are putting a lot of blind trust in Kieran Scott to sort things and bring in the ideal manager considering it's a brand new role for a 37 year old.

I don't know about anybody else but I've not got blind trust in Scott, I'm not sure many really do, I don't think Boro fans have it in their nature to blindly believe there is a single solution to the enigma of how this club is run behind the scenes.

But at this point in time, a lot of us have got what we want to a certain extent. Gibson has acknowledged enough that we need to put someone like this in charge, not many thought that would happen. Gibson has also seemingly recognised you can't just put anyone like this in charge after the Bevington thing.

Scott has worked directly with someone who has a pretty decent reputation at this level of the game, he's getting his team consistently out of this division. Regardless of what happens when they actually go up, the fact they're getting into that division at all is beyond what we've managed since being relegated. And Scott has seemingly been one of Webber's closest allies during that time, he's acknowledged how much he's learnt from Webber and how much he wanted a role like this before we came knocking. Lets not forget too what Scott has done. He's recruited pretty successfully for that team, that's something he has been in charge of and also something we've been absolutely rubbish at generally speaking for years.

On the flip-side, as you say, it is the first time in this role and there's no guarantee because of where he's been and what he's been a part of that that reflects onto how successful we are. But my biggest concern right now is not Scott's credentials, I think it's quite easy to see the positives of how this could work if Scott is given free reign to handle the football side and not be strangled in any way by Gibson or Bausor simply because beyond keeping us running, this club is not very well run on the football side. But that's the worry, is that Gibson and Bausor do hold him back. Obviously they need to dictate things operationally and make sure Scott isn't gonna bankrupt us, that's fine. But giving up that control? Believe it when I see it, basically.

First steps have been taken though and we can acknowledge that without expecting this to be a success outright or overnight. It's been very difficult in recent years to acknowledge what we do well because we know we could be doing better but this is a fine step forward, lets just hope it continues in this same positive vein.

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16 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Don’t need him, may as well have kept Morsy.

LB and a forward is all we need 

I'm not sure, I feel like we are a two injuries away from being pretty thin there. Although they have kept Malley around. 

Any word on names for the free agents?

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19 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Don’t need him, may as well have kept Morsy.

LB and a forward is all we need 

Agree. JLS, Payero, Howson and Malley for the two sitters is fine. Crooks can also play there

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15 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

I don't know about anybody else but I've not got blind trust in Scott, I'm not sure many really do, I don't think Boro fans have it in their nature to blindly believe there is a single solution to the enigma of how this club is run behind the scenes.

 

That is exactly what has happened for years though.

Whenever we don't succeed on the pitch or in the transfer market, fans say "this is why we need a director of football", as if that alone is the magic answer.

Now we have a young and relatively inexperienced director of football but we don't actually know all that much about him in regards to his ethos beyond the fact he recommended Buendia and Pukki.

He wasn't in charge at Norwich, he probably has different ideas to Webber and we'll have to see how it pans out.

We've not even had any direct communication from him in regards to taking over yet, though I suspect that will happen soon given he's officially on board now.

But fans are already assuming his hand is involved in signings (it may well be) and that Warnock's style of management and football is incompatible with Scott's plans.

We don't know yet.

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12 minutes ago, Foogle said:

Does anyone know how much we lost on the Morsy Transfer overall? Still seems like an odd one to me even if he was about to be pushed down the pecking order.

Doubt we lost anything mate, he cost us basically nothing in the first place. Be surprised if we didn't make a small profit on that one.

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35 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

 

That is exactly what has happened for years though.

Whenever we don't succeed on the pitch or in the transfer market, fans say "this is why we need a director of football", as if that alone is the magic answer.

Now we have a young and relatively inexperienced director of football but we don't actually know all that much about him in regards to his ethos beyond the fact he recommended Buendia and Pukki.

He wasn't in charge at Norwich, he probably has different ideas to Webber and we'll have to see how it pans out.

We've not even had any direct communication from him in regards to taking over yet, though I suspect that will happen soon given he's officially on board now.

But fans are already assuming his hand is involved in signings (it may well be) and that Warnock's style of management and football is incompatible with Scott's plans.

We don't know yet.

In a podcast Scott says on Farke that, 'I totally agree with how he plays football... that's how I would like to play football, if I was a manager that's how I would like to play football.' He then says Webber is 'exactly the same obviously because he's helped develop this vision and this philosophy within the club with Daniel.' Just to round it off he notes 'all three of us see things very very similar on how to play the game.' These quotes start at around the 8:50 mark. Unless Scott is lying, I'd say that rather than simply assuming, there's a solid basis to argue Warnock does not fit with his vision. With that in mind, I think it's pretty fair to say that if Warnock isn't challenging for playoffs with this squad then we may as well push ahead with Scott's plans earlier than scheduled.

I don't think there's anything toxic in saying that. After all, it is a discussion forum. I hope Warnock succeeds and has us up there - why wouldn't I? And I'm sure Warnock isn't arsed if he reads a few opinions on a forum that obviously cannot be taken as representative of the entire fanbase.  

 

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Very pleased with that end to the window, hopefully the bit of quality in midfield and upfront that we need. A bit sad about Morsy going but the game at the moment seems to prefer midfielders who are decent across the board rather than specialist attacking and defensive midfielders. Glad to have a bit of pace and mobility in the middle of the park in Siliki and Payero (when he is deemed up to speed). No more watching 3 of the likes of Leadbitter/Clayton/Morsy/Howson/Saville/etc. trundle through the middle of the pitch.

Hope Sporar comes good, certainly seems the type of player who could benefit from a fresh start as, barring recent history, he has a very admirable record. Reassured having seen Uche play a few games that we should be alright even if he is a bit of a dud.

Pleased with the squad, would have liked another winger/striker and we obviously need cover for LB, but outside of that I think we have very good first team quality and depth. It took a while, it wasn't easy to follow and it might have come to fruition too late to aid us at the start of the season, but that's the most positive transfer window we've had in years in my book and it hopefully puts us in a position where if this season goes tits up, we aren't financially ruined for the next one. The loan to buy deals and clauses seem quite clever and a low risk gamble (esp Sporar, I have no idea how the *** that deal was ever approved by Sporting).

Hopefully got a good core squad with some real quality for the next manager to come in. Hoping we see how Warnock does with it till December and then assess whether we get someone in to try to salvage this season, or to take over next after a successful one.

There's a lot of hope in that post but feeling today like we have something to be hopeful for... Hopefully ❤️

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18 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

That is exactly what has happened for years though.

Whenever we don't succeed on the pitch or in the transfer market, fans say "this is why we need a director of football", as if that alone is the magic answer.

Now we have a young and relatively inexperienced director of football but we don't actually know all that much about him in regards to his ethos beyond the fact he recommended Buendia and Pukki.

He wasn't in charge at Norwich, he probably has different ideas to Webber and we'll have to see how it pans out.

We've not even had any direct communication from him in regards to taking over yet, though I suspect that will happen soon given he's officially on board now.

But fans are already assuming his hand is involved in signings (it may well be) and that Warnock's style of management and football is incompatible with Scott's plans.

We don't know yet.

I don't think it's a stretch to say Warnock's style of management is incompatible with Scott? Like Pulis before him, he's always preferred to be in direct communication with the leadership of the club and essentially have his own men doing the work. He doesn't even seemingly like to work with scouts or at least trust them, he wants to send Blackwell and Jepson round the world watching players, he wants to work with his own contacts (see just yesterday about Siliki), he wants to do things his way and be the man dictating the football at all levels. How could that possibly be compatible with any director of football?

And isn't that one of the most important factors in play here? Our managers have dictated the club for too long, the bouncing between ethos from manager to manager is part of the problem, we get left with players who don't suit the next man coming in because the thought process begins and ends with a managerial tenure rather than extending beyond it.

So yeah, I don't disagree with people who have often said we need a director of football to solve success on and off the pitch. The appointment in and of itself should acknowledge the requirement for a change to a more structured football side to the business that anyone with even a tad of experience would be able to right something that is wrong at this club, not least a person with what... 4-5 years direct experience of someone in a similar role, is it? It's not like he's several rungs down the ladder, he's worked directly with him on this.

This is almost certainly going to take time and we have to be patient. But again, we can be positive about the first step into the right direction without hailing it as an overwhelming success before he's officially put a foot in the door. As with any player or manager, we judge them on what they do for Middlesbrough at the end of the day and that's how he will be judged. In 3 years time when his initial contract is up, we're not going to be sat here just talking about the appointment, we're going to be judging him on what has changed, whether we have improved or not, whether he was the right man for the job. Right now, we can't do none of that, we can just acknowledge this could be the right step and acknowledge why even having someone with his experience in the role is a step forward from what has come before.

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31 minutes ago, Foogle said:

Does anyone know how much we lost on the Morsy Transfer overall? Still seems like an odd one to me even if he was about to be pushed down the pecking order.

Seen a few things on twitter saying it's around £1m rising to £1.2m with add ons. Think we got him for £300k.

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