DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: It was the Stoke game at home when we won 3-0. By many accounts, Bettinelli had his best performance of the season in that game, potential man of the match contender in fact. He was good against Bournemouth (H) too, to be fair. But unfortunately in my opinion his "good" games were far outweighed by his "bad" ones. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, Humpty said: I think there’s a little bit of revisionism going on with Bettinelli. Don’t get me wrong he had a very poor 2nd half of the season but the first half of the season he was more than competent for this level. The thing with the internet is that there’s more information out there so there rightly should be more discussion and deeper scrutiny. Pears was a fantastic shot stopper and “the Internet” would’ve highlighted that too. He was crap in the first half of the season too; just our defence was better so it shielded him somewhat. He was at fault for a number of goals in the first half of the season too. 20 minutes ago, Humpty said: Took me 30 seconds to search your name and Bettinelli. That’s the kind of revisionism I’m talking about. Admitting a player had a good game doesn't mean he wasn't crap for the other 45, what are you on about man. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 clean sheets in 5 appearances last season for Lumley is pretty impressive! Unsure if that includes his cameo vs us as a clean sheet or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,246 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: He was good against Bournemouth (H) too, to be fair. But unfortunately in my opinion his "good" games were far outweighed by his "bad" ones. Quite right mate. Wholly agree. An awful season sprinkled with some good performances. To say he’s been terrible all season though is incorrect in my view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Humpty said: Quite right mate. Wholly agree. An awful season sprinkled with some good performances. To say he’s been terrible all season though is incorrect in my view. Okay so now you're just being pedantic. He was terrible all season, bar a handful of games in which he actually remembered how to play football. IMO if you're terrible for 90% of your games I think you can still qualify that as being terrible all season. Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Christ. Imagine accusing me of revisionism. I can't think of many people who have been as consistent about their opinion as I have been. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Brunners said: Okay so now you're just being pedantic. He was terrible all season, bar a handful of games in which he actually remembered how to play football. IMO if you're terrible for 90% of your games I think you can still qualify that as being terrible all season. I think it makes it even easier to make the 'terrible' analysis that he was probably our worst player this season, especially if you consider expectation vs. reality. Bettinelli is an experienced Championship goalkeeper, he once had a season that was almost as good as Randolph's in terms of save percentage too, which seems mad after this year. Looking at some of our other statistically worse performers according to WhoScored, you've got players who didn't play enough: Roberts, Wing, Fletcher, Coulson Players who perhaps weren't utilised well enough to judge: Britt, Akpom And I know not everyone will agree with this but some players young enough for reasonable doubt: Spence(20), Wood(18) and Coulson(22) probably fits into this too Bettinelli isn't any of those things. He's an experienced keeper with pedigree at this level and he wasn't asked to do anything relatively outlandish for a keeper at this level, his task was pretty simple. The only positive thing that comes to mind when reviewing the stats is this idea that Bettinelli was a good communicator. The xGA stats and the number of appearances made by each player in the defence kind of support that theory. Collectively keeping that xGA stat low represents a better defence all-round and communication is undoubtedly part of that. We don't know for sure how heavily weighted that is in any one player's favour, though, so I'd say you look to the likes of Paddy, Howson, Bola and Bettinelli, all with 40+ starts and perhaps share that among them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 He was comfortably our worst player this season and I don't think it's even close. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DevKWat 2,365 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brunners said: He was comfortably our worst player this season and I don't think it's even close. Let me tell you about a man called Britt 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,246 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Christ. Imagine accusing me of revisionism. I can't think of many people who have been as consistent about their opinion as I have been. I can't say i pay much attention to each individual posters leanings, bias or preferences, i generally tend to respond to the immediate post in the thread (give or take)....but i managed to demonstrate why there's an element of revisionism with pretty much the first post i came across when i searched. You said he was terrible all season...that's not what your earlier post said....you said he hid behind a strong defence....that's not what the same earlier post said. I'm not trying to dig you out, i'm only demonstrating that Bettinelli hasn't been terrible all season as is claimed. It's often the most recent performances that stick in people's memories, understandably, but sometimes a bit of context is needed. Link to post Share on other sites
DevKWat 2,365 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I’ve been saying all season if I don’t have to watch Bettinelli, Spence or Britt next season I’ll be very happy. I couldn’t rate those 3 any less Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,246 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I reckon we’ll be directing our funds at more critical areas of the team. Warnock seems quite content with the midfield. I wonder if that includes Wing in his thinking? Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Borolad1876 said: Mo besic for a third time anyone? Out of contract so a free. Wages probably quite high I'd imagine He's tenacious and aggressive so Warnock would like those aspects of his game. But hed probably have a heart attack every time he tried to do his turn or hold onto the ball 10 seconds longer than he needs to Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Borolad1876 said: Mo besic for a third time anyone? Out of contract so a free. Wages probably quite high I'd imagine I think we already have a better player than Besic in Morsy and one player who works themselves into the book every game is enough. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,401 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Brunners said: 3 clean sheets in 5 appearances last season for Lumley is pretty impressive! Unsure if that includes his cameo vs us as a clean sheet or not. It doesn't. He's kept 4 clean sheets in his 5 games, but let in 3 against Coventry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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