Johnmfc81 902 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Brick_Tamland said: Before we all get too excited, Ledesma and Marinelli only had bit-parts during their time at the club. And I know he was Uruguayan, but Carlos de Pena was another player who just couldn't adapt. What I'm trying to say is: just buy Warnock's former players from his old clubs. We got ledesma from Walsall and he started his career in Italy at Genoa, Ledesma wasn't that bad really, and was never really that hyped up anyway, Marinelli was a talented player. Also I think de pena had something about him, but I just don't think we were ever going to see that here. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,347 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, scotty189 said: If we do actually sign this fella, and he's half as good as Marinelli, we have the best player in the champo he would have ripped it up would Carlos. This lad isn't like Marinelli. He's athletic rather than being skilful apparently. If anything that should give him a better chance of adapting successfully, as he already sounds like a fairly typical British style midfielder. All of that is based on that scouting report that someone put on here of course. Link to post Share on other sites
Boroinredcar 170 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, Brick_Tamland said: Before we all get too excited, Ledesma and Marinelli only had bit-parts during their time at the club. And I know he was Uruguayan, but Carlos de Pena was another player who just couldn't adapt. What I'm trying to say is: just buy Warnock's former players from his old clubs. Would rather gamble on a young player with potential than some of the lumps of wood we have been linked with. Most of those will have no resale value. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, Changing Times said: I think we signed Ledesma from Walsall. Walsall's old boys or Sao Walsall wasn't it? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DanFromDownSouth 1,706 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) Did Warnock sign Alejandro Faurlin at QPR? Link to post Share on other sites
RichAcklam2404 929 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said: Did Warnock signed Alejandro Faurlin at QPR? Jim Magilton signed him. Warnock did sign Camarasa and Medel for Cardiff though. Two brilliant players 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, RichAcklam2404 said: Jim Magilton signed him. Warnock did sign Camarasa and Medel for Cardiff though. Two brilliant players Nah he only buys old cart horses and those who thoroughly enjoy Mrs Brown's Boys 1 Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,365 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) Sorry for sprinkling some question marks over the football rationale behind us targeting Payero. I just find it hard to understand. Is it for a marquee buzz? Is it to tap into the "Gibson spoils us again" narrative? Is signing a South American flair player a way to create an illusion of a sophisticated and modern recruitment set up? I obviously don't know, however, the one thing I'm for certain about is that it runs completely contrary to our transfer dealings since Gibson removed Victor Orta in the Summer of 2017. Since then our recruitment has been as shambolic and wasteful as I can remember despite us heavily focusing on the domestic market - which is supposed to be safer but more inflated. It also runs contrary to Warnock's transfer dealings when getting promoted with his previous Championship clubs. At the moment we're signing the likes of: Lumley, Peltier, Ameobi and Ikpeazu, which I can see a lot of logic and shrewdness in, on free transfers or relatively small fees, so to supposedly have around £5 million stashed away for Payero feels completely disjointed from the football rationale underlining our previous signings. Unless, of course, the rationale is not exclusively footballing related. Gibson seems to have a fixation on marquee type of signings to generate some excitement from the fans, even if it's not sensible business, and is rumoured to have gone over several managers heads to bring in the likes Woodgate, Downing & Rhodes, so that can't be ruled out. I'd much prefer we had one cohesive long-term strategy that was wholly focused upon a solid footballing rationale of signing unknown gems and then selling them on for a huge profit like Norwich and Brentford, but unfortunately we have to accommodate Gibson's corrosive, counter-progressive, PR obsessed approach to running a football club. Whilst I'm excited about us potentially signing Payero, it's just that I don't understand the rationale behind it as it goes against Boro's transfer dealings over the past 4 years and Warnock's career transfer dealings in the Championship. Edited July 5, 2021 by p_mards 4 Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,365 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, RichAcklam2404 said: Jim Magilton signed him. Warnock did sign Camarasa and Medel for Cardiff though. Two brilliant players Malky Mackay signed Medel. Camarasa was signed by Warnock though - albeit in the Premier League. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Riverside94 962 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, p_mards said: Sorry for sprinkling some question marks over the football rationale behind us targeting Payero. I just find it hard to understand. Is it for a marquee buzz? Is it to tap into the "Gibson spoils us again" narrative? Is signing a South American flair player a way to create an illusion of a sophisticated and modern recruitment set up? I obviously don't know, however, the one thing I'm for certain about is that it runs completely contrary to our transfer dealings since Gibson removed Victor Orta in the Summer of 2017; Since then our recruitment has been as shambolic and wasteful as I can remember. It also runs contrary to Warnock's transfer dealings when getting promoted with his previous Championship clubs. At the moment we're signing the likes of: Lumley, Peltier, Ameobi and Ikpeazu, which I can see a lot of logic and shrewdness in, on free transfers or relatively small fees, so to supposedly have around £5 million stashed away for Payero feels completely disjointed from the football rationale underlining our previous signings. Unless, of course, the rationale is not exclusively footballing related. Gibson seems to have a fixation on marquee type of signings to generate some excitement from the fans, even if it's not sensible business, and is rumoured to have gone over several managers heads to bring in the likes Woodgate, Downing & Rhodes, so that can't be ruled out. I'd much prefer we had one cohesive long-term strategy that was wholly focused upon a solid footballing rationale of signing unknown gems and then selling them on for a huge profit like Norwich and Brentford, but unfortunately we have to accommodate Gibson's corrosive, counter-progressive, PR obsessed approach to running a football club. Whilst I'm excited about us potentially signing Payero, it's just that I don't understand the rationale behind it as it goes against Boro's transfer dealings over the past 4 years and Warnock's career transfer dealings in the Championship. Hardly marquee though is it. No one had heard of him before the link... Saville cost more. Marquee to me would suggest a big name or expensive statement of intent (like £15 million on a striker) Link to post Share on other sites
p_mards 1,365 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Riverside94 said: Hardly marquee though is it. No one had heard of him before the link... Saville cost more. Marquee to me would suggest a big name or expensive statement of intent (like £15 million on a striker) Yeah he's not expensive in comparison to some of our wasteful signings of recent years, but any unknown flair player of over £5 from South America, is going to get people incredibly excited - especially more than George Saville. I hope it's the start of a new braver, successful direction that our recruitment is going in, but I just hope it isn't for anything other than wholly footballing reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,301 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Maybe Gibson has taken a look at how we play and the decline in season ticket sales and the live subscription. Link to post Share on other sites
estonpidge 1,449 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Maybe Warnock walked in and said I need a wildcard of a player, someone who can produce that bit of magic to open up a game. So scouting network what have you got? Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Maz 2,899 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) maybe it was a player that made it through the scouting process, and the club leadership managed to negotiate a deal that was acceptable for the potential quality of the player.... Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,320 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Brick_Tamland said: Before we all get too excited, Ledesma and Marinelli only had bit-parts during their time at the club. And I know he was Uruguayan, but Carlos de Pena was another player who just couldn't adapt. What I'm trying to say is: just buy Warnock's former players from his old clubs. Assuming that 1) they want to come to Boro and 2) we can afford them... 😉 Link to post Share on other sites
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