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Just now, LBP said:

What you going on about¬†ūü§£

Also you called me pedantic earlier when yesterday you brought up all these stats to say "Akshually i think you'll find they scored 16 goals not 15¬†ūü§ď"¬†or whatever and you were wrong anyways

I wasn't wrong, you were counting players that weren't shown in the graphic. 

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Offer has been accepted bauser has had his critics but he has pulled masterstrokes on both of these.  Now over to you Leo!  Payero small issues look sorted should be an announcement tomorrow or f

Gibson doing a Gibson. Having another punt, pushing for Bolasie, this Argentinian and money available for a couple more. (Not a lot though) Spence going for £5m

Not been keeping up but Sporar should be sorted by Tuesday 

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1 minute ago, wilsoncgp said:

Do you think Woodgate would have managed 3 games in a week?¬†ūüėÖ

No mate, but the season in question we had ayala, Gibson, Kalas, r Williams as well as woodgate. We also had fry coming through and de laet who could play CB from January. We also only played 2 centre backs.  

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2 minutes ago, Mr_Maz said:

I wasn't wrong, you were counting players that weren't shown in the graphic. 

You misread the post then

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6 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

No mate, but the season in question we had ayala, Gibson, Kalas, r Williams as well as woodgate. We also had fry coming through and de laet who could play CB from January. We also only played 2 centre backs.  

That's why I'm not worried though. Just because Bamba is going to turn up, doesn't mean he's first or even second in line to go into the side if we lose a couple of defenders.

By all accounts, we are after 1 or 2 other potential left-sided defenders and in both Bryan and Brown are looking at 2 players who can play centre-back. Even at this moment in time have Hall, Fry, McNair, Dijksteel and Peltier at the very least before we even think of Bola or Bamba or anybody else coming in. Discounting Wood here as I suspect he'll go out on loan.

I just don't think Warnock is sat there thinking Bamba is first or second to be called in in case of a crisis right now. He won't play him if the others are available, he's there for big emergencies and probably for cup games where he won't want to play the first team players and would mostly be there on a super low budget contract to help around the squad.

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11 minutes ago, LBP said:

I mean this whole teaching the kids how to play football that people overrate about senior players

If we bring him in as a basically a player/coach type gig then whatever but if people think signing Bamba means back ups sorted then I pray Fry never gets injured

As per the above, look at our list of defenders and the fact we're looking at another 1 or 2. I don't see why anyone would look at this potential signing and think he's gonna be playing unless we have a huge crisis.

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8 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

No mate, but the season in question we had ayala, Gibson, Kalas, r Williams as well as woodgate. We also had fry coming through and de laet who could play CB from January. We also only played 2 centre backs.  

and this year we'll have Fry, Hall, McNair, Dijksteel, Peltier, Bola and probably one of Bryan/Brown all ahead of Bamba.

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23 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

We really need another keeper unless we want another Bettinelli in goal this season.

Stoj wants to leave and who the *** knows what's happened to Sol Brynn.

Have you really decided Lumley is another Bettinelli? 

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5 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

As per the above, look at our list of defenders and the fact we're looking at another 1 or 2. I don't see why anyone would look at this potential signing and think he's gonna be playing unless we have a huge crisis.

Well I have no problem if we bring in a really solid CB that would compete for the 1st team spot as presumably he'll be on a pittance

I haven't seen much of Brown or Bryan but apparently they're more LBs who can play CB, I'd rather us keep Coulson around and bring a solid out and out CB in personally 

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4 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

I just don't think Warnock is sat there thinking Bamba is first or second to be called in in case of a crisis right now. He won't play him if the others are available, he's there for big emergencies and probably for cup games where he won't want to play the first team players and would mostly be there on a super low budget contract to help around the squad.

This is how I'm viewing it as well. I know you were allowed to name a larger matchday squad last season, but it was pretty common that every fit player we had was involved. This year I'm hoping we have enough depth that we can actually afford to leave players out altogether, and only call on them when we need to. If we sign Bamba, this is where I imagine he'd fit in.  

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1 minute ago, Brunners said:

and this year we'll have Fry, Hall, McNair, Dijksteel, Peltier, Bola and probably one of Bryan/Brown all ahead of Bamba.

Say we lose dijksteel to injury and fry gets suspended for 3 games. Were playing someone who plays 3 at the back so we want to match up. 

Immediately were looking at 

Peltier hall McNair bamba Bola (assuming Spence is sold and fishers injury is as bad as it seems)

A back 5 with a 34 year old and a 36 year old who haven't been playing. With no one on the bench. We might well sign another but for right now, that's not the case. Who's to say bamba isn't the back up to one of those other signings if they don't go through and he's the only one we end up with? That's what I'm worried about.

It's all hypotheticals for now, but I don't see the value of someone who can't step in and be an able deputy long term if things go wrong. 

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1 minute ago, Neverbefore said:

Say we lose dijksteel to injury and fry gets suspended for 3 games. Were playing someone who plays 3 at the back so we want to match up. 

Immediately were looking at 

Peltier hall McNair bamba Bola (assuming Spence is sold and fishers injury is as bad as it seems)

A back 5 with a 34 year old and a 36 year old who haven't been playing. With no one on the bench. We might well sign another but for right now, that's not the case. Who's to say bamba isn't the back up to one of those other signings if they don't go through and he's the only one we end up with? That's what I'm worried about.

It's all hypotheticals for now, but I don't see the value of someone who can't step in and be an able deputy long term if things go wrong. 

you're more likely looking at 

Peltier - Hall - McNair - Brown/Bryan - Bola

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Just now, Brunners said:

you're more likely looking at 

Peltier - Hall - McNair - Brown/Bryan - Bola

Like I said, neither of them have signed, bamba could well be considered an alternative rather than an addition. Well have to see what the makeup of the squad is at the end of the window.

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3 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

Say we lose dijksteel to injury and fry gets suspended for 3 games. Were playing someone who plays 3 at the back so we want to match up. 

Immediately were looking at 

Peltier hall McNair bamba Bola (assuming Spence is sold and fishers injury is as bad as it seems)

A back 5 with a 34 year old and a 36 year old who haven't been playing. With no one on the bench. We might well sign another but for right now, that's not the case. Who's to say bamba isn't the back up to one of those other signings if they don't go through and he's the only one we end up with? That's what I'm worried about.

It's all hypotheticals for now, but I don't see the value of someone who can't step in and be an able deputy long term if things go wrong. 

There's a lot of assumptions you're making there though, mate. 1 player being sold and not replaced, 1 specific player being injured and another suspended. You know how I said big emergencies? Huge crisis? This is that scenario.

I don't see why we'd sell Spence and not replace him, either, really. He's played a lot in pre-season. Peltier was Fisher's cover apparently so I'd think Spence would be replaced.

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2 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

Like I said, neither of them have signed, bamba could well be considered an alternative rather than an addition. Well have to see what the makeup of the squad is at the end of the window.

Okay so my assumption that we'll sign one isn't allowed, but your end of the world assumptions are fine? 

At the end of the day if what you're suggesting happens, that's a freaking unfortunate crisis that might cause Bamba to have to play, yes. The likelihood of all of those things happening seems incredibly low.

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