TLF10 4,497 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, RiversideRed said: Middlesbrough are interested in signing Derby County forward Martyn Waghorn this summer. Where is this from? Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,283 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, nunthorpered said: fail to go up i would, but otherwise no. You are right there'll be plenty of interest for him, but we need to go for these types i think. I guess it depends on the money on offer but if we're trying to sign 8-9 players this summer with Bolasie and a couple of strikers on the list, you have to wonder just how much we have to throw around. I agree we need to be able to attract the better players and bringing in a lad who we think is better than what we have on a free would be a bit of a no-brainer. I personally still haven't really saw much in him, though, I'm not sure what he would do to improve our midfield. I'd wager there's something I'm missing considering he's got into team of the season but if we miss out on him right now, I wouldn't be overly fussed. Link to post Share on other sites
RiseAgainst 3,793 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: At the moment, would you leave Barnsley for Boro? Depends. Based on league positions, no. Based on the number of years the clubs have been in the Premier League and the training facilities on offer at Rockliffe, God yes. All things considered? There's a discussion to be had, at least. Turn the argument on its head - apart from league positions this season, why would you leave Boro for Barnsley? You might prefer their current manager to ours, but they only just survived in the Championship last season, and they've had twice as many managers as we have since the Millennium, so they're hardly an example of stability or prosperity. This isn't a dig at you in particular, but we need to get rid of this fatalistic mentality that nobody wants to sign or play for Boro any more. Maybe under Pulis that was true, but people who don't follow our club all that closely tend to think MFC is a stable club with a loyal chairman and great facilities. And some players really do love Warnock. So yes, maybe players would defect here from Oakwell. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Smokedsalmon 1,247 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Considering we aren't looking for a centre forward who scores goals so much as one who literally bullies defenders and brings others into play, we don't have to go too wild over being linked with lumps like Waghorn. We don't need a 20+ goal striker to play how Warnock wants us to play. We just need someone who is going to make the ball stick at the right end of the pitch. Akpom doesn't really do enough in that regard (Warnock has said a few times how disappointed he's been with him, and I don't just think he means goal output) and players like Britt have always been useless at it. I expect our top goal scorers next year to be the wide-men. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, TLF10 said: Where is this from? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,497 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I dont think Waghorn a poor player for this league. His numbers bar this season are in fact pretty decent. He could be ok if we looking for another Duncan Watmore type player. Someone who can play in any of the forward positions which Waghorn has done during his career. Link to post Share on other sites
Boromadman 45 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 apologies if its been said already but this quote from warnock got me thinking 'As Warnock has discussed a lot of late, he's pleased with the nucleus of his squad and the likes of Anfernee Dijksteel, Marc Bola, Dael Fry, Grant Hall, Jonny Howson, Marcus Tavernier and Duncan Watmore will all play central roles next season' strange theres no mention of mcnair or saville , mcnair especially would probably be my first name on the teamsheet . Wonder if theres plans to sell them on . 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RiseAgainst 3,793 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boromadman said: apologies if its been said already but this quote from warnock got me thinking 'As Warnock has discussed a lot of late, he's pleased with the nucleus of his squad and the likes of Anfernee Dijksteel, Marc Bola, Dael Fry, Grant Hall, Jonny Howson, Marcus Tavernier and Duncan Watmore will all play central roles next season' strange theres no mention of mcnair or saville , mcnair especially would probably be my first name on the teamsheet . Wonder if theres plans to sell them on . Hopefully "the likes of" doesn't mean "the only ones"! McNair's versatility is valuable, and Saville has scored more goals than I expected from him, so fingers crossed we can pin them both down. Add them to the ones on Warnock's list, and we've got a pretty good starting nine. Add a goalkeeper, a striker and an entire second team, and we'll be ready for promotion next season... Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Johnson 616 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Hasn’t Warnock gone on record claiming Paddy is one of the best defenders in the division? Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,497 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Boromadman said: apologies if its been said already but this quote from warnock got me thinking 'As Warnock has discussed a lot of late, he's pleased with the nucleus of his squad and the likes of Anfernee Dijksteel, Marc Bola, Dael Fry, Grant Hall, Jonny Howson, Marcus Tavernier and Duncan Watmore will all play central roles next season' strange theres no mention of mcnair or saville , mcnair especially would probably be my first name on the teamsheet . Wonder if theres plans to sell them on . That is not a quote I dont think? A quote would not start with “Warnock has discussed....”. I think that is just lazy Journalism by EG and also Lazy journalism by them in not listing all the core players who clearly form part of squad next season. Link to post Share on other sites
DevKWat 2,371 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I’d more than happily keep McNair but if a stupid offer came in (which I don’t think is unlikely) I think he’s certainly replaceable. Defensively not great and switches off a lot, shown he’s not a CB this season. Fry and Hall should be first choice. Great in the midfield 3 but replaceable if it came to it. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,283 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, RiseAgainst said: Depends. Based on league positions, no. Based on the number of years the clubs have been in the Premier League and the training facilities on offer at Rockliffe, God yes. All things considered? There's a discussion to be had, at least. Turn the argument on its head - apart from league positions this season, why would you leave Boro for Barnsley? You might prefer their current manager to ours, but they only just survived in the Championship last season, and they've had twice as many managers as we have since the Millennium, so they're hardly an example of stability or prosperity. This isn't a dig at you in particular, but we need to get rid of this fatalistic mentality that nobody wants to sign or play for Boro any more. Maybe under Pulis that was true, but people who don't follow our club all that closely tend to think MFC is a stable club with a loyal chairman and great facilities. And some players really do love Warnock. So yes, maybe players would defect here from Oakwell. We do have to look at the relative positions of the two clubs right now and ask if a player is willing to leave a team that's currently higher up the division than ours, though. Are Barnsley lucky to be where they are? Are we unlucky to be where we are? And after all, he's not going to play for Middlesbrough in the 90s or the 00s, he'd be playing for Boro in the 20s. It's the choice of us right now or somebody else right now. I don't think, for example, Alex Mowatt would give a toss how many managers Barnsley have had since the millennium. We have to ask what our club is right now relative to those who might challenge us for a player's signature. For all our greater facilities and the public image Steve Gibson still lives off of, we are a club on a relative decline, even since our last relegation in 2017, even discounting the blip of last season. Our previous years in the Premier League mean nothing to the active status of the club or so far as its recent history. There was a time we could call ourselves a PL club in all but name, when we'd spent a significant majority of our time there since its inception. When we got relegated in 2009, we'd spent 14 of the 17 years it had been going in the Prem. As of the end of next season, we'll have spent as much time out of it as we've had in it. Of course players will still want to play for us, we're not gonna run out of options and be stuck with playing kids. But its whether the players we want will want to play for us, that's the problem that is always going to need solving and when we're wanting to bring so many players in, it's gonna have to be a problem we solve without spending a lot of money. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Maz 2,899 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, RiversideRed said: Middlesbrough are interested in signing Derby County forward Martyn Waghorn this summer. Derby outdid us on fee end wages to sigh him, didn't they? Link to post Share on other sites
ManBearPig 1,853 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 With free agents having the choice of options this summer, what are boro’s biggest selling points as a club to attract these players? It seems we won’t be offering them high wages so I’m interested to think on footballing terms, what makes our club appealing ? Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,497 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mr_Maz said: Derby outdid us on fee end wages to sigh him, didn't they? Yeah they did under Pulis after his strong season at Ipswich. Think we both agreed £5m fee for him but they offered more wages 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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