Neverbefore 10,942 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr_Maz said: how? we finished mid table last year, and the players coming in are better than those that have left - (excl Bolasie) The players coming in are all coming from teams that finished worse off than us last season, a 34 year old utility player who barely played a minute aside. Some of those players weve signed or are looking at weren't first choice for those teams. I fail to see how we've been improved by any of the signings (or indeed rumoured signings) so far. Possible exceptions for the south Americans but that's a roll of the dice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,982 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, Humpty said: As I said, if we were seriously interested we would’ve been willing. Dude. We can be seriously interested AND bow out when we decided it was getting too expensive, they're not mutually exclusive. If we're running to a wage budget, the wage Luton offered may have been above what we decided was acceptable, however seriously interested we were. Not that you'll see this of course. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Maz 2,899 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Neverbefore said: The players coming in are all coming from teams that finished worse off than us last season, a 34 year old utility player who barely played a minute aside. Some of those players weve signed or are looking at weren't first choice for those teams. I fail to see how we've been improved by any of the signings (or indeed rumoured signings) so far. Possible exceptions for the south Americans but that's a roll of the dice. a 34 yr old utitlity player coming in as BACKUP and ADDING experience players who came from teams below us but performed better in those teams than the players who played for us 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,942 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, Mr_Maz said: a 34 yr old utitlity player coming in as BACKUP and ADDING experience players who came from teams below us but performed better in those teams than the players who played for us Ameobi didn't perform better than Johnson or bolasie, arguably kebano, last season. Lumley barely kicked a ball last season. Ikpeazu scored one more goal than Britt last season with a fair bit more football played. Paterson couldn't get in the Bristol team, hoilett couldn't get in the cardiff side, bamba has been out for 2 years and Harris didn't score a goal in 40 games for Sheffield Wednesday. It's just grim whatever way you want to spin it. I'm not saying they'll be bad signings, but how many teams can you think of that signed all their players from lesser teams that went on to get promoted? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
estonpidge 1,449 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 most of these are squad fillers not starters. Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: The players coming in are all coming from teams that finished worse off than us last season, a 34 year old utility player who barely played a minute aside. Some of those players weve signed or are looking at weren't first choice for those teams. I fail to see how we've been improved by any of the signings (or indeed rumoured signings) so far. Possible exceptions for the south Americans but that's a roll of the dice. Since when was the position of the team you buy them from an indicator of an individual's ability? Such a ridiculously simplistic take 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I'd say the starting team is Lumley Bola Fry Hall Dijksteel Morsy McNair Tavernier LW Ikpeazu Watmore Possibly need 2-3 more starters, incase McNair is used as CB. Link to post Share on other sites
MikeyBoro 374 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: It's just grim whatever way you want to spin it. I'm not saying they'll be bad signings, but how many teams can you think of that signed all their players from lesser teams that went on to get promoted? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,938 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mr_Maz said: how? we finished mid table last year, and the players coming in are better than those that have left - (excl Bolasie) Are they? Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,942 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: Since when was the position of the team you buy them from an indicator of an individual's ability? Such a ridiculously simplistic take It's not. I never said that it was. There's a lot more to it, but if you're 27+ and you've never played at a higher level than a struggling championship side, chances are more likely than not that that is your level. There are obviously exceptions. But when all your players are like that, then it's more likely that we'll end up with a very limited squad. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,938 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, RiversideRed said: I'd say the starting team is Lumley Bola Fry Hall Dijksteel Morsy McNair Tavernier LW Ikpeazu Watmore Possibly need 2-3 more starters, incase McNair is used as CB. Missed Ameobi and Payero off. As well as Muniz. Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,938 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, TheJew said: Missed Ameobi and Payero off. As well as Muniz. And Wing! Link to post Share on other sites
J.T. 640 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr_Maz said: I personnally don't understand Boro "supporters" like JT This is Boro, we have no god given right to be an attractive football team, as long as the players give 100% - which is the kind of team NW is putting together, then they've filled by core requirements as a fan. Anything else is a much welcome bonus. Am I not allowed to express a disapproval about the direction the club is going without being referred to as a “supporter”? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember saying that we had a god given right to play attractive football. Nor anything even similar. I do believe, however, that, based on recent evidence, it would be better for the club’s future if we tried to play a more modern and expansive brand of football. Look around at the club’s similar in stature and budget to ourselves who have achieved success in the last 5 years. None have done it by playing long ball football. Leeds, Brentford, Norwich, Wolves, Aston Villa, etc. were all in very similar positions to ourselves 5 years ago. But whilst we have stagnated, playing outdated football under managers like Pulis and Warnock, these clubs have appointed progressive managers and are now streets ahead of where we are. I can only really think of Burnley who have managed success by playing a more direct style of football. Am I not a proper supporter for wanting us to try to do the same? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I wouldn't start Ameobi, Payero hasn't signed and Wing isn't a starter. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Maz 2,899 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheJew said: Are they? i think so Link to post Share on other sites
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