Humpty 3,261 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 14 hours ago, diggerlad07 said: Spence must have the best agent going! How he can generate any interest in his client and even potentially get us some money is phenenominal. 😂😂 The guy is extremely poor in all aspects of his game. His attitude stinks, he is extremely immature/unprofessional and doesn't listen in training and he falls over constantly on match day. Apart from the 1st 5/6 games when he broke on the scene under Woodgate, he's never pushed on because he's a very limited footballer (if you can call him that). He's up there with Justin Hoyte imo. He's played at RB in a back 4, RWB in a 5 and further forward as attacker and he still hasn't delivered and offers us nothing. People say there is potential but I would like to hear what potential he has because he literally offers nothing but a bit of pace which isn't good enough. He's tried pushing a move since last January back to London and doesn't want to be here, so let him go. We have just got rid of a few trouble makers so we don't want to go into next season with same issues. I'm starting my car in preparation to drive him wherever he wants to go. Good riddance You contradicted yourself in that post. Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,320 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 16 hours ago, Brunners said: you can't teach brains...footballing brains is just something a guy has or he doesn't... I'm pretty sure you can teach the basics...thats what academies and coaching staff are there for...supposedly. Though god knows what our lot actually do. I think what you mean is that instinctive play and heightened awareness...the stuff that separates the great from the merely good can't be taught. The kind of players who don't even consciously think about what they're doing...they just know when and what to do. Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,320 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 16 hours ago, Smokedsalmon said: So you're saying because he literally has a single quality - pace - that we can coach EVERYTHING else and turn him into a Man United quality player? Come on lad. The hell of it is, Spence could probably go to another team and develop into a good player...much like Traore did. We just don't have the coaches capable of turning potential into ability...at least not on the level Djed needs. So the real winner may well be the lad himself if we decide to sell him. Might be the best thing for his career. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,972 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Blanco said: Oh dear, imagine having a forum where people have different opinions 😵 must be awful 😣 It is awful that there are people out there who think he could be a decent footballer one day, I agree. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,320 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, ManBearPig said: Wow, so many contrasting views about Spence on here. I’m going to play devil’s advocate though... He came onto the scene with Woodgate who promised to blood in the youth and has stayed as a mainstay to the first team. Is he first team ready? Not all the time, but he is at a stage of a squad player for sure. Some of the people making out he’s dog water are overlooking this. the problem we have is that we are relying on players like Spence and Coulson and comparing them to first team regulars. They aren’t there yet at their age, but getting rid would be pointless. What message does that send out to the rest of the academy? We are so *** short term with everything we do. We have Djed who hasn’t been great this season and has played under Warnock. What if the new manager comes in who would be an ideal fit? The job of the coaches is to make people better. We aren’t doing that. We haven’t even done that to any player recently. I can’t remember who we’ve actively coached and made an improvement on. All that money invested into the academy and we are just fobbing it all off. What if we had the same approach towards Spence that we had when Dael Fry messed up against Charlton away under Karanka? Ship him out because he had a few bad games? Sometimes players just need more time to adapt, develop and grow. As a cash strapped club, we have to start improving what we have, rather than hunting for new players. Recruitment and coaching at the club need a serious overhaul in my opinion. I couldn't agree more about investing in our youth players and putting more focus on developing them to get them ready for first team action. Sadly that would require a manager and coaching staff capable of doing this. Think the academy staff also need to come in for heavier scrutiny. Boro ought to be the perfect club to do this. Its not like we have billionaire owners demanding promotion at the first attempt, or winning silverware every season. We should be a club that nurtures young talent and is capable of producing players good enough to compete at Championship level. Unfortunately we have a manager that prefers seasoned pros and an assistant who will likely follow suit if he takes over. It also doesn't help that they favour an out-dated style of play, which might be very different to what is taught at the academy. Its not just Spence they've failed to improve, but the majority of players that come into the squad. While a lot of people are giving Djed (and any other players) stick, we should also ask ourselves what kind of coaching are they getting and what are they being told to do on game days? Is their training actually enhancing their skills, or at least helping them to play the way the manager wants? Given the amount of confusion we see in our defence, lack of co-ordination when we attack and generally poor technical ability, you do have to ask questions of the manager and coaches. Edited April 30, 2021 by AnglianRed 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,972 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, Humpty said: You contradicted yourself in that post. Care to explain how, or are you just going to be your usual passive aggressive self? Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,939 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: I just can't believe there are people on here who have eyes, have seen Spence play this season and actually believe there's something there. Actually it's oneBoro, it's not surprising at all. If you have that much contempt for the forum, no one's forcing you to be here. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,281 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: If you have that much contempt for the forum, no one's forcing you to be here. I might just respond to him like Kelloe responds to everyone else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GrimsbyBoro 1,968 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, AnglianRed said: I'm pretty sure you can teach the basics...thats what academies and coaching staff are there for...supposedly. Though god knows what our lot actually do. I think what you mean is that instinctive play and heightened awareness...the stuff that separates the great from the merely good can't be taught. The kind of players who don't even consciously think about what they're doing...they just know when and what to do. I spoke with a striking coach a few years ago and he had the mantra that you can teach people to shoot you can’t teach people to score. Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernSmoggie 4,242 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, HolgateBoy said: I've failed to see the 'lots of effort' bit. Sooner we get rid the better. Me neither. If his attitude was right I'd be way more keen to keep him. Honestly, I'd rather have a competent journeyman who wants to be here than a 20 year old who couldn't give a toss. Compare to Bolasie (a loan player) who busts a gut to win us dead rubber end-of-season games and constantly bigs up the club and his team mates. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernSmoggie 4,242 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, GrimsbyBoro said: I spoke with a striking coach a few years ago and he had the mantra that you can teach people to shoot you can’t teach people to score. Funny isn't it - for all the stats and analysis, so much of football is still in the head. I bet most Championship players can rattle a shot top corner in training under no pressure, but would struggle in a match situation. Then you get ice-in-the-veins players like Mason Greenwood who defy xG models with consistently incredible finishing. Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,261 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: Care to explain how, or are you just going to be your usual passive aggressive self? If my presence bothers you that much, just block me. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,982 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: I might just respond to him like Kelloe responds to everyone else. I think I actually saw Kelloe write a post recently, it was quite the occasion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DevKWat 2,370 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Spence linked to wolves and rangers for £5m. Snap their hands off Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_Boro_Till_I_Die 1,181 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) https://www.espn.co.uk/football/manchester-united/story/4360439/rashfords-two-year-battle-through-pain-at-man-united Its on here at the bottom. 5m? Yes please 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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