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1 hour ago, AnglianRed said:

Again, this is why I didn't like the way the UK adopted the BLM movement, taking the knee etc. because we have quite a different history to the US and root causes for the rise of racism. Different social & political structures too.

I don't even like the name as it assumes only black people suffer racism.

I feel if we'd bothered to create a movement that was more focused on UK-specific issues, there would be less confusion and division. 

I mean its great to show support for George Floyd and all the other victims of US police brutality, but we need something that highlights our own problems.

This is the crux of it, but as you've found on here, some people just won't see it.  

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Heading away with the good lady wife so won’t be back on before the final. Sincerest best wishes to the ordinary English fans on here. Hope it happens for you 💪

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Few excellent posts regarding the final and the tournament as a whole. On the pitch Southgate got basically every decision he made spot on leading upto the final. Even the decision to go to a win

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One other thing that annoys me - all these people saying "I boo because it's a Marxist gesture" - ask them what they know about the theories of Karl Marx and it will be a very short conversation. People use it as an excuse to be a *** far more often than for any genuine, informed concerns. 

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5 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

One other thing that annoys me - all these people saying "I boo because it's a Marxist gesture" - ask them what they know about the theories of Karl Marx and it will be a very short conversation. People use it as an excuse to be a *** far more often than for any genuine, informed concerns. 

I have had this argument far too many times.

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Just now, Denzel Zanzibar said:

I accept that I may have misread @AnglianRed's post a little bit, that's on me for just assuming they were white. I won't make that mistake again.

HOWEVER, my point stands that BLM isn't saying people of other race's lives don't matter, and it never has. That's why all the "ALL LIVES MATTER" people can frankly *** right off.

That's on me for assuming they were white.  Interesting.

AnglianRed is a fella of Asian descent who is telling you all, who are white, why there are some issues with this.  And instead of listening to someone with far more experience of racism, and being someone of colour in a country that is majority white, you are telling him that he's wrong.  It doesn't matter what you are assuming, try listening to what he's saying, and understanding that he has greater knowledge and experience of this than you ever will, so may just know a bit more about it.

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6 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Politicially I'm quite marxist-leaning. It amuses me when uninformed idiots equate Marxism with Communism.

He did write The Communist Manifesto, although I do take your point.  It's not exactly a million miles away from it though, is it?

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1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

He did write The Communist Manifesto, although I do take your point.  It's not exactly a million miles away from it though, is it?

It's not a million miles away no, but still you get people going MARXISM = COMMUNISM AND COMMUNISM BAD LOOK AT CHINA HURRR DURRR

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43 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

It's not a million miles away no, but still you get people going MARXISM = COMMUNISM AND COMMUNISM BAD LOOK AT CHINA HURRR DURRR

Yeah I know mate, but quite clearly, there is a link between Marx and Communism.  And unfortunately, most examples of Communism to date have been less than successful, and have always included the subjugation of the people involved.  Marxism is a nice theoretical way of looking at things that will never work because at the core of humanity is survival of the fittest.  Weirdly, there is also a bit of that inbuilt into racism at some fundamental level as well.  As a species we are a million miles away from evolving beyond that.

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6 hours ago, AnglianRed said:
7 hours ago, Borodane said:

Just seen that Leyton Orient have revoked the season ticket of a fan and banned him for life after some racial abuse online following the final. That’s one way to go as I’m sure he will be incredibly annoyed that he can’t ever go to watch a team where he used to be a season ticket holder. Well done LO. 

Brilliant! This needs to become standard practice across the EFL and PL.

This is fine but presumably those people are allowed to go and do absolutely everything else?  We're still equating racism to a football problem when it's a societal one.  A lot of people aren't season ticket holders at a club so a ban like this would be largely meaningless to them.  Some people won't even be football fans at all, so are we going to ban them from other things as well, like let's ban them from the cinema if they like films, or let's ban them from pubs if they like a beer?  It's tokenism.  Football isn't the issue, it's just an arena where there are a lot of high profile black people, so they get targeted with the abuse.  You can't institute football only punishments cos it simply won't work.

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37 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

This is fine but presumably those people are allowed to go and do absolutely everything else?  We're still equating racism to a football problem when it's a societal one.  A lot of people aren't season ticket holders at a club so a ban like this would be largely meaningless to them.  Some people won't even be football fans at all, so are we going to ban them from other things as well, like let's ban them from the cinema if they like films, or let's ban them from pubs if they like a beer?  It's tokenism.  Football isn't the issue, it's just an arena where there are a lot of high profile black people, so they get targeted with the abuse.  You can't institute football only punishments cos it simply won't work.

Football only punishment? If I owned a private cinema is ban them. If LO can ban him I’m sure it’s pretty easy for the police or whatever to bring forward criminal charges. Who says other punishment can’t be done? This is just a private business that has decided one of their personal costumers aren’t allowed in anymore. And at the same time sending out a message to the rest of their constumers/fans. It’s not up the football club to act on behalf of the police or court but rather take a personal stand. 

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36 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Football only punishment? If I owned a private cinema is ban them. If LO can ban him I’m sure it’s pretty easy for the police or whatever to bring forward criminal charges. Who says other punishment can’t be done? This is just a private business that has decided one of their personal costumers aren’t allowed in anymore. And at the same time sending out a message to the rest of their constumers/fans. It’s not up the football club to act on behalf of the police or court but rather take a personal stand. 

I'm saying other punishments won't be done.  And you're exactly right, it's not up to the football club to act on behalf of the police or courts, but for some reason, they are the only ones who are expected to act at all.

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3 hours ago, Changing Times said:

I'm saying other punishments won't be done.  And you're exactly right, it's not up to the football club to act on behalf of the police or courts, but for some reason, they are the only ones who are expected to act at all.

That probably says more about your society’s will to change things. I think it’s commendable what LO has done and it’s a punishment that the moron will probably understand better than a month in jail and a (further) stained criminal record. 

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By the way;  not sure if this has been mentioned but Schicks goal vs Scotland did indeed win goal of the tournament.

Pogbas goal vs Switzerland was second & Modric vs Scotland was 3rd.

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On 7/14/2021 at 4:08 PM, Changing Times said:

This is fine but presumably those people are allowed to go and do absolutely everything else?  We're still equating racism to a football problem when it's a societal one.  A lot of people aren't season ticket holders at a club so a ban like this would be largely meaningless to them.  Some people won't even be football fans at all, so are we going to ban them from other things as well, like let's ban them from the cinema if they like films, or let's ban them from pubs if they like a beer?  It's tokenism.  Football isn't the issue, it's just an arena where there are a lot of high profile black people, so they get targeted with the abuse.  You can't institute football only punishments cos it simply won't work.

Well yes, racism is a societal problem and it can rear its ugly head anywhere.

But at the moment online and in-ground abuse of footballers is the hot topic, so banning known offenders is at least a step in the right direction.

I've always maintained you can't control how a person thinks, so getting rid of racism in society as a whole is probably as futile as King Canute trying to stop the tide coming in.

But you can systematically reduce the number of public places where these people are free to conduct their vile behaviour.

Now its football grounds, but it would be great if eventually bars, restaurants, clubs and all other public venues followed suit. Cinemas are probably a bad example as they're not exactly known as hotbeds of racist behaviour.

Combine measures like this with (hopefully) increased and stronger action from the social media platforms and we can certainly make life a lot more difficult for them.

 

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