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1 hour ago, wilsoncgp said:

I think he showed us enough in that Czech Republic game to prove he is fit and better than Mings. It's a shame for Mings as I think he's done well in the tournament but unless we play with a back 3 that includes Walker playing at wing-back, I can't see how he gets in the side.

Who thought people would be writing things like this after the couple performances Mings put in in those warm up games!

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Heading away with the good lady wife so won’t be back on before the final. Sincerest best wishes to the ordinary English fans on here. Hope it happens for you 💪

Congrats, friends ...  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 V 🇩🇰 @ Wembley  ...   Good luck to y'all! 

Few excellent posts regarding the final and the tournament as a whole. On the pitch Southgate got basically every decision he made spot on leading upto the final. Even the decision to go to a win

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1 minute ago, Brunners said:

Who thought people would be writing things like this after the couple performances Mings put in in those warm up games!

I never watched the warm-up games and after what some said about Mings and Henderson, I'm quite glad! I think Mings is a pretty good defender in the Premier League so I'm not all that shocked that he's showed he can do the same thing at international level. And, y'know, Henderson is just a good player, came through the Czech game without remotely looking like a liability, looked about as fit as you'd expect someone to be for an international tournament.

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Individually not many players can be faulted simply because they earned the right to be picked. Now putting a bunch of individual skilled players together and form a functional effective team is what top mangers do well. Not much difference to giving a project to team of skilled tradesmen and expecting them to build a module. The first phase of individuals coming together to work as a team is called norming, and Communication, mentoring and Cohesion is down to a manager, a skill set I believe is fundamentally lacking with GS. 
That saying we now enter 90min phases of unpredictability where a mistake or luck draws a fine line between success and failure. The only thing predictable, anything can happen..  

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7 hours ago, wilsoncgp said:

I think he showed us enough in that Czech Republic game to prove he is fit and better than Mings. It's a shame for Mings as I think he's done well in the tournament but unless we play with a back 3 that includes Walker playing at wing-back, I can't see how he gets in the side.

Think Maguire showed how much he can influence the speed of our build up. Either through his ball playing (the ball for an "almost" assist for Kane) or his ability to carry the ball out from the defence pretty well.

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8 hours ago, wilsoncgp said:

I wonder how we'll approach the 3-4-3 of Germany, whether Gareth might change it up for this game or if he'll just stick by and large with what we've been playing with rather than try to adapt too much to them.

I think we might see Saka on the right hand side specifically to help combat the German wing-backs. I think we'll setup in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 shape in possession, then out of possession drop Saka into the right wingback slot with Walker tucking in to form a back 3.

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Good analysis Dan. That's the thing some people fail to grasp these days when discussing formation. It's very much a fluid concept, depending on who has the ball and where the ball is. Whether there's a set piece to defend, a throw in high up the touch line or a man marking system. Get control of the flanks and i think England will give themselves a good chance.

I personally think Rice will start and drop back into the back three when the defensive line is deep or when England face a free kick. I would't be surprised to see Saka start due to his flexibility and directness on the ball. Sterling will certainly start and i have an inclination that you may well see Foden in the centre of midfield if Mount can't work with the squad due to isolating.

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I promote the predictable, anything can happen philosophy. 

I believe England selection and tactic will evolve around caution. GS will be having flashbacks and he will be dreading loosing to Germany over any other team. As with all managers past, his philosophy is not to lose, not to win.Fear of loosing is a inbred English trait. 

If we play with caution we hand the initiative to Germany as there confidence will grow. There is nothing in recent games that suggests England can come from behind and one mistake could spell disaster. Germany are a unified team, England are skilled individuals. 


To suggest Germany are at there weakest promotes the idea we are at our strongest and neither can be further from the truth. 


This is another 90min local Derby with a lot at stake and anything can and is likely to happen. It’s a match I would rather not have happened as my memories I would rather have left undisturbed. Just please don’t let this go to penalties… 

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About time we turned the Germans over. For me the most gut wrenching defeat was Mexico 1970, 2-0 up and Sir Alf made the huge mistake of taking Charlton off to save him for for the semis. I'm sure we'd have made the final that year, but for that fatal error.

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We definitely owe them one...or two...

My personal traumas are probably the same as most others here...Italia 90 and Euro 96.

I understand Voyager 1 recently made contact with the ball Chris Waddle used for his penalty.

 

6 years later came Anderton & Gazza missing the goal by inches in extra time...another penalty shootout and the current England manager being the culprit, subsequently ending up in a Pizza Hut commercial wearing a paper bag over his head. Redemption at least for Stuart Pearce...

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, AnglianRed said:

We definitely owe them one...or two...

My personal traumas are probably the same as most others here...Italia 90 and Euro 96.

I understand Voyager 1 recently made contact with the ball Chris Waddle used for his penalty.

 

6 years later came Anderton & Gazza missing the goal by inches in extra time...another penalty shootout and the current England manager being the culprit, subsequently ending up in a Pizza Hut commercial wearing a paper bag over his head. Redemption at least for Stuart Pearce...

 

 

 

Did you have to invoke nightmares! 

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Euro 96 was the only time I remember feeling quite gutted about England losing. ITALIA 90 was one of my first footballing memories, so I wasn’t as emotionally invested.

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Mexico '86 and the Hand of God was my first footballing memory, I remember being allowed to stay up and watch it (I was only 2 but definitely remember watching it!) and then crying along with my parents when England were knocked out.

Italia '90 carried a bit more weight with me, by then I was properly into football.

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2 hours ago, sanddancer said:

Did you have to invoke nightmares! 

The England match 1970 was a nightmare. Hamstrung with the loss of Banks to food poisoning, plus Ramsey's fatal error allowing Beckenbauer to orchestrate a German comeback . The footballing Gods deserted us that day and continue to do so. Used all our luck up in 66.

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I remember WC86 vaguely. Much more enjoyed Italia 90. Watched Euro 96 in Aberdeen. Specifically the semi final in a casino as it’s the place I got least hassle. When England lost I walked into union street to be met with the sight that could easily mistaken for Scotland winning the whole competition. Germany shirts/flags everywhere. Cars tooting their horns. Strangers hugging in the streets. Pretty pathetic really. That’s when I made a promise never to support Scotland in anything they do. 

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45 minutes ago, Uwe said:

I remember WC86 vaguely. Much more enjoyed Italia 90. Watched Euro 96 in Aberdeen. Specifically the semi final in a casino as it’s the place I got least hassle. When England lost I walked into union street to be met with the sight that could easily mistaken for Scotland winning the whole competition. Germany shirts/flags everywhere. Cars tooting their horns. Strangers hugging in the streets. Pretty pathetic really. That’s when I made a promise never to support Scotland in anything they do. 

Yeh my mate was waiting in an airport in 2004 when France beat us 2-1, he said the Scots went ecstatic jumping up and down as if it was there team that had won, he said exactly the same he'd never support them in anything. Given there usually poor performances in qualifications I'd be embarrassed to open my mouth.  

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