boroat 44 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 This is painful at the moment.. we are going backwards on the pitch again. I hope the long term plan is worth this seasons short term pain 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheHolgate 683 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Given that Warnock is going at end of season anyway then it's a bit of a no brainer to get rid to try and rescue the season. We are good enough to be top ten. The whole Pulis, Warnock type manager just doesn't work for us. The club needs a lift. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Skinemrippers 895 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 HHow can it be this bad? Since Jan, the more attacking players Warnock has had available the worse we’ve been. If he can’t find a way out of this then it’s just hit and hope isn’t it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
diggerlad07 3,685 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Just got back from game, and to say the club is an embarrassment is an understatement. When fans starting fighting each other in the stands like they did today and when at the end of the match numerous bottles were thrown in the direction of the fans, then something must change. Payeros not injured but you won't see him anywhere near the 1st team on a matchday for a while whilst Warnock is here. I'm still under the impression that Warnock get sacked unless he walks away himself but I feel he's too proud to that so unfortunately I think we are stuck with him although I did find his post match interview interesting. The club is completely toxic at the moment like it was under Pulis and I fear it's going to get a lot lot worse than this especially away from home. 1st half performance was carbon copy of Coventry and Derby away and just not good enough. 2nd half we had a few chances but it was papering over the cracks of how bad we are. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,345 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, diggerlad07 said: Just got back from game, and to say the club is an embarrassment is an understatement. When fans starting fighting each other in the stands like they did today and when at the end of the match numerous bottles were thrown in the direction of the fans, then something must change. Payeros not injured but you won't see him anywhere near the 1st team on a matchday for a while whilst Warnock is here. I'm still under the impression that Warnock get sacked unless he walks away himself but I feel he's too proud to that so unfortunately I think we are stuck with him although I did find his post match interview interesting. The club is completely toxic at the moment like it was under Pulis and I fear it's going to get a lot lot worse than this especially away from home. 1st half performance was carbon copy of Coventry and Derby away and just not good enough. 2nd half we had a few chances but it was papering over the cracks of how bad we are. Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting. Link to post Share on other sites
Duffman 12 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) I think if our manager wasn’t such a hugely respected figure in the game and wasn’t perceived to have done us a favour last season the club might be looking at things differently. Invariably Warnock has got things right in this league but it’s a while ago now and he seems to be at odds with everyone and everything at the moment. It seems he didn’t want the players we signed, he didn’t want to lose the players we loaned out, the officials are the worst in his long career, he said today he can’t go on the pitch and put the ball in the net himself. It sounds desperate and forlorn and if I’m honest a bit sad. He doesn’t know what to do, the club doesn’t know what to do so we are in a bit of limbo. We simply don’t have a good 70 minutes never mind 90 minutes in us at the moment. Yes we beat Sheff Utd but who would argue we were by far the better team - I think we had 30 odd percent possession. I think some reflection and deep thinking needs to take place over the international break. If he is staying, Warnock needs to start enjoying it again as his negativity and despair is affecting the team for me. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,320 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, BoroJake said: Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting. I think, as was mentioned previously, players like Payero and Siliki were bought with one eye on Warnock's successor. Though I don't think it was envisaged he would avoid playing them if at all possible. When Warnock goes, we can probably expect to sign more players like them. Until that time though, they will only play cameo roles at most. Just have to hope they aren't thoroughly fed up and disillusioned by then. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,276 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, BoroJake said: Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting. I don't think it's just that he's not starting if he is unhappy about it. The lad looks absolutely done with being a Middlesbrough player before he's even started and there's only one man to blame for that; the manager. It's one thing hoping he'll be used more under another manager. It's quite another wondering whether he's even going to be here beyond this season, if even the rest of this one. If it wasn't for the money involved, I'd not be shocked if Payero never played for us again. Even contemplating that idea makes me think this manager has to go. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,345 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, AnglianRed said: I think, as was mentioned previously, players like Payero and Siliki were bought with one eye on Warnock's successor. Though I don't think it was envisaged he would avoid playing them if at all possible. When Warnock goes, we can probably expect to sign more players like them. Until that time though, they will only play cameo roles at most. Just have to hope they aren't thoroughly fed up and disillusioned by then. I 100% agree that they are more for the next manager than Warnock, but the club would probably still expect them to get quite a lot of game time or it is just a full year of development wasted for them and by the time it gets to next year they might want to leave 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,937 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Aitor Karanka is still lurking about somewhere... Link to post Share on other sites
Skinemrippers 895 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Do any insiders know what’s happening with the Payero situation? We know Warnock didn’t want him, but a couple of weeks ago he said he was the best player in training, got a round of applause after training and was told he’d start at Coventry. Picked up a knock so was out for a couple of matches then in v Reading. We know what Warnock said after that but how can it have got so toxic? I’d imagine he will be loaned out in Jan if Warnock still here. It’s a bit like Pulis and Braithwaite. Just odd. Feels awful right now. Same points as Woodgate so far - we had that amazing run over Xmas that season. Carry on like this and we’ll be doing worse than when he first came in 😞 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TheJew 2,937 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 The longer Warnock stays the worse it Will become. We have two strategies at the moment that don't align. With Warnock retiring, we need to just go with Scott. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 2,565 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BoroJake said: I 100% agree that they are more for the next manager than Warnock, but the club would probably still expect them to get quite a lot of game time or it is just a full year of development wasted for them and by the time it gets to next year they might want to leave How can Siliki be for the next manager? He’s here on loan! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,345 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, CrazyL said: How can Siliki be for the next manager? He’s here on loan! I think the deal has an obligation to buy if requirements are met which are very easily met. That’s what French newspapers were saying if I remember correctly Link to post Share on other sites
Dynamo Kev 1,557 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 i have a feeling that was warnocks last game 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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