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18 minutes ago, RealSlimSladeyy said:

Looking at our transfer business, surely our squad is now good enough to be challenging for top 6. Given that Warnock clearly doesn’t fit with Scott’s vision, if he doesn’t have us in and around the top 6 by November I’d sack him and get one of Scott’s targets in.

He certainly can't complain about lack of players now...but I still have my doubts about his ability to get the best out of them on a regular basis.

I'm still expecting this to be a rollercoaster season...some good performances mixed with some awful ones. Think we may still fall a few points short of the play-offs.

But rather than sack Warnock if it looks like we're going to miss out, I'd rather the club takes as long as it needs to identify the new manager and bring them in next Summer, so they can start with a clean slate and have a full pre-season, without any immediate pressure.

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I think from seeing the frustration from fans about Warnock being stubborn about not playing Payero until "he's ready" that things will very quickly bubble over if he gives Sporar and Siliki the same treatment.

Probably not enough for Gibson to actually sack him, but yeah....it won't be pretty.

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1 hour ago, AnglianRed said:

He certainly can't complain about lack of players now...but I still have my doubts about his ability to get the best out of them on a regular basis.

I'm still expecting this to be a rollercoaster season...some good performances mixed with some awful ones. Think we may still fall a few points short of the play-offs.

But rather than sack Warnock if it looks like we're going to miss out, I'd rather the club takes as long as it needs to identify the new manager and bring them in next Summer, so they can start with a clean slate and have a full pre-season, without any immediate pressure.

Yeah if the club isn’t sure who it wants/the right man isn’t available then it would be smart to hold off. But if there is someone waiting in the wings then…

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2 hours ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

I think from seeing the frustration from fans about Warnock being stubborn about not playing Payero until "he's ready" that things will very quickly bubble over if he gives Sporar and Siliki the same treatment.

Probably not enough for Gibson to actually sack him, but yeah....it won't be pretty.

Tbh I don't Warnock is completely srong about not just throwing Payero in. It's a difficult league and something completely different to what he is used too. Not being able to communicate on the pitch certainly doesn't make it any easier in the heat of battle. I'm sure Payero will appreciate that too, but if he is good enough I expect to see him given minutes after the break, where we have 6 games in three weeks.

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1 minute ago, Borodane said:

Tbh I don't Warnock is completely srong about not just throwing Payero in. It's a difficult league and something completely different to what he is used too. Not being able to communicate on the pitch certainly doesn't make it any easier in the heat of battle. I'm sure Payero will appreciate that too, but if he is good enough I expect to see him given minutes after the break, where we have 6 games in three weeks.

Counterpoint: Juninho had only ever played in England once before we signed him and even then that was FOR Brazil. Bryan Robson didn't wrap him in cotton wool. In fact I can't think of a single foreign signing we've made that was kept on the bench for weeks "to get used to the league," Payero is a professional footballer for ***'s sake

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15 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Counterpoint: Juninho had only ever played in England once before we signed him and even then that was FOR Brazil. Bryan Robson didn't wrap him in cotton wool. In fact I can't think of a single foreign signing we've made that was kept on the bench for weeks "to get used to the league," Payero is a professional footballer for ***'s sake

Counterpoint: Payero isn't Juninho. As an example it took months for Fabinho to get into the Liverpool team. It happens all the time. Payero was also isolated for a while and said to be sick last week leading up the Blackburn game.

I'm Warnocks biggest critic, but I don't think he is deliberatly keeping Payero out in spite. At least not yet.

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4 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Counterpoint: Juninho had only ever played in England once before we signed him and even then that was FOR Brazil. Bryan Robson didn't wrap him in cotton wool. In fact I can't think of a single foreign signing we've made that was kept on the bench for weeks "to get used to the league," Payero is a professional footballer for ***'s sake

Struggling to find match reports, but Juninho arrived in Middlesbrough on the 8th of October, he didn't make his debut until the 4th of November.

He wasn't even on the bench for his first 3 games at the club.

Now, that may be down to international clearance or other issues, but if it's not then Payero was introduced quicker than Juninho was.

Signed on the 5th of August, debuted on the 11th of August.

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7 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Counterpoint: Payero isn't Juninho. As an example it took months for Fabinho to get into the Liverpool team. It happens all the time. Payero was also isolated for a while and said to be sick last week leading up the Blackburn game.

I'm Warnocks biggest critic, but I don't think he is deliberatly keeping Payero out in spite. At least not yet.

I'm the same. If he's not in the team by October I'll be questioning things, but I don't think it's a stick necessarily to beat Warnock with just yet. 

Though I do think he'd be benefiting from 10 or 15 mins at the end rather than not getting on at all. 

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1 hour ago, Borodane said:

Tbh I don't Warnock is completely srong about not just throwing Payero in. It's a difficult league and something completely different to what he is used too. Not being able to communicate on the pitch certainly doesn't make it any easier in the heat of battle. I'm sure Payero will appreciate that too, but if he is good enough I expect to see him given minutes after the break, where we have 6 games in three weeks.

 

48 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

I'm the same. If he's not in the team by October I'll be questioning things, but I don't think it's a stick necessarily to beat Warnock with just yet. 

Though I do think he'd be benefiting from 10 or 15 mins at the end rather than not getting on at all. 

Agree with both of these posts.

Where I do think was a good opportunity to bring him on is when QPR went down to 10. That extra space he would've had could've been a good introduction whilst maybe not being at 100% intensity due to the sending off. 

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3 minutes ago, Will said:

 

Agree with both of these posts.

Where I do think was a good opportunity to bring him on is when QPR went down to 10. That extra space he would've had could've been a good introduction whilst maybe not being at 100% intensity due to the sending off. 

Yeah that was my thought too but then Morsy got sent off two minutes later, so there wasn't even time for him to warm up. Think it was diggerlad who said that he was one of the players that was sick and only got back into training on thursday before the match.

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1 minute ago, Borodane said:

Yeah that was my thought too but then Morsy got sent off two minutes later, so there wasn't even time for him to warm up. Think it was diggerlad who said that he was one of the players that was sick and only got back into training on thursday before the match.

Morsy got sent off against Blackburn not QPR. Will was referring to the 3-2 to QPR for introducing Payero

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6 minutes ago, Blanco said:

Morsy got sent off against Blackburn not QPR. Will was referring to the 3-2 to QPR for introducing Payero

Ahh yes of course. I completely agree about that. He should have been on there earlier as midfield was totally cack in that game.

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1 hour ago, TeaCider24 said:

Struggling to find match reports, but Juninho arrived in Middlesbrough on the 8th of October, he didn't make his debut until the 4th of November.

He wasn't even on the bench for his first 3 games at the club.

Now, that may be down to international clearance or other issues, but if it's not then Payero was introduced quicker than Juninho was.

Signed on the 5th of August, debuted on the 11th of August.

From what I remember, he wasn't available to play for a while.  It's a long time ago though so memory might not be accurate.  I have a sense that he wasn't in the country for the game at Sheff Wed, I'm assuming that could have been because international games would have been played around that date.  He was in the country for the home game against QPR as he arrived that week (beginning 16th Oct) but was watching the game only.  After that we only had the Man Utd game before we played Leeds, and that was his debut.  I'm sure Payero will be in the side soon enough though either way.

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3 hours ago, DevKWat said:

I’ve seen quite a few people since Scott was announced say they know who the club have in mind to replace Warnock already but never gave a name. 

I remember them, said the person was an unsung hero for boro. Though at the time I thought that was for the DOF role, not manager but could of been wrong on that.

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