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1 hour ago, Humpty said:

Probably not. I think it’s going to take a visible turn from the crowd to get him gone.

Do you think the crowd could turn on him tonight? I think a loss tonight and against Hull and I think it is full on pitchforks and torches time with the fans. 

 

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3 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

Do you think the crowd could turn on him tonight? I think a loss tonight and against Hull and I think it is full on pitchforks and torches time with the fans. 

 

I could see quite a bit of booing if we go behind, lets be fair a lot of fans didn't want Warnock here in the 1st place.

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They made an interesting stAt on the boro breakdown pod that managers tend to exit us during October 18-23 or something like that. 
 

I think that’s enough time to salvage a season but then also give a good indication on how things are headed. 
 

I think Warnocks tactics are massively outdated and not matching to our current crop of players. If we magically change and knock the ball around he might find us having more control in games and able to mount attacks. 
 

Percentage hoofball and second balls is not enough anymore to win games. Warnocks own doing will be his inability to change and adapt his methods for his current group of players, I’d be surprised if he is here by the end of October that is for sure. 

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1 hour ago, BoroJake said:

To be fair over the last 5 years I think the sackings have been justified. Woodgate nearly got us relegated. Fans had really started to turn on pulis and his awful football. Monk you could argue could have been given more time, but who knows what was happening in the background with the dodgy deals rumoured with his agent

I know, but that's what other clubs who hire and fire every season or so would say of their managers. I just think gone are the days of Gibson showing unshakeable patience with managers, when the majority of fans start getting vocal he acts. His record since relegation proves that he sacks managers when they're not doing well, I don't know where this idea comes from that he doesn't. The only manager he's arguably hung on to slightly longer than you'd perhaps expect, since 2009 relegation, is Mowbray, due to his legacy at the club. Even Strachan got barely 12 months.

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17 minutes ago, ManBearPig said:

They made an interesting stAt on the boro breakdown pod that managers tend to exit us during October 18-23 or something like that. 
 

I think that’s enough time to salvage a season but then also give a good indication on how things are headed. 
 

I think Warnocks tactics are massively outdated and not matching to our current crop of players. If we magically change and knock the ball around he might find us having more control in games and able to mount attacks. 
 

Percentage hoofball and second balls is not enough anymore to win games. Warnocks own doing will be his inability to change and adapt his methods for his current group of players, I’d be surprised if he is here by the end of October that is for sure. 

Yes I've commented on this before. Gibson loves sacking folk in October time. Mind you, it has rarely actually paid dividends. I suppose you could say it did with the sacking of Mogga as it gave Karanka 6+ months to find his feet before mounting a promotion push in his first full season.

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1 hour ago, Rioch's Braves said:

I don't know after 10 games its highly unlikely under Gibson, we'll probably get the new players need time to gel BS.

As said above, October time he isn't shy of a sacking at all. So admittedly, yes, maybe a few more weeks. Personally I'd stick with Warnock until Scott has found someone he really wants, rather than force him into making a decision now, which I don't think was his original remit this soon.

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22 minutes ago, atypical_boro said:

Yes I've commented on this before. Gibson loves sacking folk in October time. Mind you, it has rarely actually paid dividends. I suppose you could say it did with the sacking of Mogga as it gave Karanka 6+ months to find his feet before mounting a promotion push in his first full season.

Does he?

He's only sacked 3 managers in October in his time as chairman, there have been 10 permanent managers including Warnock.

That's 11 if you want to class Agnew as a permanent, which I'm not sure I would.

 

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Funny that many of us still have fond feelings for Aitor, even thought the atmosphere was toxic when he left. IMHO, he was the best manager after McClaren and I’d have him back in a heartbeat. But that’s a train that will never arrive.

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53 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

Does he?

He's only sacked 3 managers in October in his time as chairman, there have been 10 permanent managers including Warnock.

That's 11 if you want to class Agnew as a permanent, which I'm not sure I would.

 

Southgate, Strachan, Mowbray, then Monk a bit later in the December. He's way more likely to act in the next month or so than most other times in the season looking at history.

He doesn't really do January sackings and then there's the likes of Karanka/Woodgate who got pedalled with only a handful of games left as a desperate move to avoid relegation. That's not impossible here I suppose.

Anyway, an October sacking is hardly unheard of, 3 of the last 7 permanent managers have gone in that same pre-half-term week. Only Pulis has lasted the season of these post-McClaren managers. My point being, really, just that Gibson no longer shows this unshakeable patience with managers he showed during the Robson/McClaren eras (when we actually did much better but had more money).

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2 hours ago, boksicdink said:

Do you think the crowd could turn on him tonight? I think a loss tonight and against Hull and I think it is full on pitchforks and torches time with the fans. 

 

I think the dissenting voices will probably continue if we lose but I don’t think it’ll turn properly toxic unless we suffer a complete collapse.

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1 hour ago, Oslo_Syd said:

Funny that many of us still have fond feelings for Aitor, even thought the atmosphere was toxic when he left. IMHO, he was the best manager after McClaren and I’d have him back in a heartbeat. But that’s a train that will never arrive.

I have very mixed feelings personally.

Indifferent to start with, then it was great for 18 months from August 2014-March 2016, something special was in the air an it was a great time to be a Boro fan (a rarity since 2006).

March-December 2016 it was 'functional', then January-March 2017 it was awful.

I wouldn't even contemplate having him back, the moment has passed and he has not gone on to prove himself as a particularly good manager, it was a combination of factors that made him our best manager of the last 15 years and us the highlight of his managerial career. Leave the past in the past.

I have a feeling our next manager will be someone quite obscure that none of us have heard of, similar vein to Karanka who although we'd heard of no one was talking about him the day Mogga was sacked.

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26 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Stay of execution....for now.

Yep, most of us wanted to see the back of Warnock and then we win against Sheff United. He probably reckons that his tactics have been vindicated.

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