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16 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

I presume he meant that he thought at 36 year old, having recently beaten cancer, he'd not be able to carry on professionally anymore.

He let Bamba come here to train as a favour to him, and was impressed by what he saw after he arrived and decided to offer him a contract.

I doubt he thought he was finished when he offered him the deal, let's not forget he was here for a good few weeks before he signed a contract.

Yeah that's a fair point about him training for a few weeks, I guess out of context he could have meant finished professionally due to cancer and his age. 

Don't get me wrong it's a great story for Bamba and i'm happy for him but the way he said it just made me think twice. I guess it all depends on when Warnock was referring to. 

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Just now, boksicdink said:

Yeah that's a fair point about him training for a few weeks, I guess out of context he could have meant finished professionally due to cancer and his age. 

Don't get me wrong it's a great story for Bamba and i'm happy for him but the way he said it just made me think twice. I guess it all depends on when Warnock was referring to. 

He was talking about the end of their Cardiff time together when he spoke about him being finished. Said after just a few days training with us they all collectively realised this was a new Sol.

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1 hour ago, atypical_boro said:

I'm not saying anything other than that 7 points would get us back within a point or two of the play-offs. Do you disagree with that statement?

That’s assuming others loose games. I don’t think a win and two draws against lower clubs is ambitious if it was what should we hope for against better clubs? 

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2 hours ago, Brunners said:

I have no idea because I have no idea how well the teams above us are going to do.

At a rate of 2.3 based on 7 points from 3 games we would gain 1.5 points on Stoke (example) as they avg 1.8 per game. So over the 3 games, no it won’t do much unless numerous clubs above us suddenly all go on bad runs. 

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28 minutes ago, Brunners said:

He was talking about the end of their Cardiff time together when he spoke about him being finished. Said after just a few days training with us they all collectively realised this was a new Sol.

OK, thanks for the clarification - it's amazing how quotes and comments can get framed to mean something else, it was being made out that he was just doing Bamba a favour by signing him. 

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34 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

OK, thanks for the clarification - it's amazing how quotes and comments can get framed to mean something else, it was being made out that he was just doing Bamba a favour by signing him. 

No, he was doing Bamba a favour by letting him get fit with the squad, he didn't think he'd ever be fit enough to play again. He said he thought he'd actually end up retiring and doing Sky Sports instead.

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4 hours ago, Brunners said:

The only place that I don't think has improved is CB and that's mostly because it is basically exactly the same. Think we've improved in CM & up top. 

Not to mention where we are lacking depth (full back spots) are both entirely on him for sanctioning loan moves without being able to get anyone else in. That's on him.

And he didn't choose to blood Jones, he was forced into it by injuries, had Ameobi not been hurt Jones would be up in the Scottish championship again most likely.

I'm not saying we should be sitting back and watching us soar into the PL. This division is tough. However, I do expect to be able to sit back and watch a team actually try and play football rather than whatever the *** it is Warnock makes me watch most games. That Blackpool 2nd half was embarrassing & by all accounts Reading was just as bad. 

That is all on NW. I'll revisit this in a month or so when we've lost to Hull & Peterborough.

 

As far as backing goes, look around the rest of the league, how active everyone else was and tell me NW hasn't been backed.

I’m not saying He hasn’t been backed, but your choice of words implied he’d been backed so well that we should expect promotion. Our transfer window wasn’t one where we especially strengthened the squad, we mostly just replaced what we had with players who are by no means too good for this league.

 

I don’t understand why you won’t give him credit for giving Jones his debut. He chose to play him when Ameobi was injured, he could have gone with other options. And besides, whose to say another manager would have got any kind of a tune out of him. We don’t know because so far in his career he’s never played for anyone else at this level. I’d say the majority of professional footballers get their first team break because of injuries to more established players - that’s how it works.

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4 hours ago, sanddancer said:

At a rate of 2.3 based on 7 points from 3 games we would gain 1.5 points on Stoke (example) as they avg 1.8 per game. So over the 3 games, no it won’t do much unless numerous clubs above us suddenly all go on bad runs. 

So you don’t think we’ll close the 4 point gap if we only drop 2 points from the next 9?

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2 hours ago, atypical_boro said:

I’d say the majority of professional footballers get their first team break because of injuries to more established players - that’s how it works.

You're not wrong that it often is how it works... doesn't make it any less dumb in my eyes and certainly doesn't mean I'm happy about it when we do it either.

What's the point of having an academy at all if you only plan on playing the best graduates if they're lucky? Clubs like ourselves should be trying our hardest to make the best of our youth investments, not constantly signing first team players to fill their place regardless of their quality. We send our players out on loans we don't care about then either moan they haven't played or moan that the level they played at wasn't good enough.

It's all the more frustrating when it's Warnock moaning about it because he's literally said the opposite of a young player he's signed in Olusanya. This lad has come in and Warnock says these players will play better surrounded by better players but also says if Ameobi was fit, Jones would have been back at Queen of the South. It's so dumb.

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On 9/28/2021 at 11:34 PM, atypical_boro said:

Well they were vindicated tonight. If we can sneak 4 points from the next 6 we’ll likely be firmly back in the play-off picture with some momentum. We should be getting behind them not precariously and conservatively celebrating a win because we’re worried it means the manager won’t get sacked.

One swallow does not make a summer. We played very well against Sheffield United but that certainly wasn’t the case three days before. And until yesterday the season has been somewhat less than inspiring. IF we can continue this form – and that’s a big if at present – then a lot of us may well revise our opinions of Warnock. That’s our prerogative, right? And as for getting behind the team, supporting the team and disliking the manager are not mutually exclusive.

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31 minutes ago, Oslo_Syd said:

One swallow does not make a summer. We played very well against Sheffield United but that certainly wasn’t the case three days before. And until yesterday the season has been somewhat less than inspiring. IF we can continue this form – and that’s a big if at present – then a lot of us may well revise our opinions of Warnock. That’s our prerogative, right? And as for getting behind the team, supporting the team and disliking the manager are not mutually exclusive.

I just mean the tactics were vindicated for that particular match.

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7 hours ago, Oslo_Syd said:

One swallow does not make a summer. We played very well against Sheffield United but that certainly wasn’t the case three days before. And until yesterday the season has been somewhat less than inspiring. IF we can continue this form – and that’s a big if at present – then a lot of us may well revise our opinions of Warnock. That’s our prerogative, right? And as for getting behind the team, supporting the team and disliking the manager are not mutually exclusive.

Very well put.

People often accuse fans of being fickle, so changing our minds on the basis of one decent match is surely just proving them right? 😉

As you say, if this is the start of a period of decent form and results, then all well and good. 

 

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11 hours ago, atypical_boro said:

So you don’t think we’ll close the 4 point gap if we only drop 2 points from the next 9?

No. Unless all those above start dropping points. As I explained, if they, above, continue there current form and we manage to dramatically improve our points we could gain 1.5 points on the pack above us. 

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9 hours ago, wilsoncgp said:

You're not wrong that it often is how it works... doesn't make it any less dumb in my eyes and certainly doesn't mean I'm happy about it when we do it either.

What's the point of having an academy at all if you only plan on playing the best graduates if they're lucky? Clubs like ourselves should be trying our hardest to make the best of our youth investments, not constantly signing first team players to fill their place regardless of their quality. We send our players out on loans we don't care about then either moan they haven't played or moan that the level they played at wasn't good enough.

It's all the more frustrating when it's Warnock moaning about it because he's literally said the opposite of a young player he's signed in Olusanya. This lad has come in and Warnock says these players will play better surrounded by better players but also says if Ameobi was fit, Jones would have been back at Queen of the South. It's so dumb.

I agree, you hit the nail squarely on the head. 

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