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Easy enough to write patronising rubbish when you don’t actually support  the club? We are only Middlesbrough after all? Narrative seems to be ‘stop moaning, be grateful for what you have, with a bit

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2 minutes ago, Hendrie_7 said:

He's just said on the Tees interview that he doesn't think he could do anymore than what he did today.

I think that's the problem though, isn't it?

Sounds like an admission of defeat? It’s not really working, I don’t think it’s going  to work with any degree of consistency. Fresh eyes and certainly some imaginative fresh ideas are the order of the day for me. 

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38 minutes ago, thatoldchestnut said:

Well I wont be going to watch them whilst he is still the manager.

I can't fault you, watch the crowds start to disappear, I'm a North Stand season card holder unfortunately still got the blind loyalty syndrome, more fool me. 

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1 minute ago, CrazyL said:

Sounds like an admission of defeat? It’s not really working, I don’t think it’s going  to work with any degree of consistency. Fresh eyes and certainly some imaginative fresh ideas are the order of the day for me. 

I've just said something along the lines of this in the match thread.  It really wouldn't surprise me if he walked now.

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1 minute ago, CrazyL said:

Sounds like an admission of defeat? It’s not really working, I don’t think it’s going  to work with any degree of consistency. Fresh eyes and certainly some imaginative fresh ideas are the order of the day for me. 

When you start talking like that you might as well wave the white flag, so just do the right thing and go. 

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2 hours ago, Rioch's Braves said:

When you start talking like that you might as well wave the white flag, so just do the right thing and go. 

He's obviously very disappointed and we don't know whether he's just not choosing his words very well, but if he genuinely doesn't think he can do anymore then its probably just a matter of time. 

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This is painful at the moment.. we are going backwards on the pitch again. 
I hope the long term plan is worth this seasons short term pain 

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Given that Warnock is going at end of season anyway then it's a bit of a no brainer to get rid to try and rescue the season. We are good enough to be top ten. 

The whole Pulis, Warnock type manager just doesn't work for us.

The club needs a lift. 

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Just got back from game, and to say the club is an embarrassment is an understatement.

When fans starting fighting each other in the stands like they did today and when at the end of the match numerous bottles were thrown in the direction of the fans, then something must change.

Payeros not injured but you won't see him anywhere near the 1st team on a matchday for a while whilst Warnock is here.

I'm still under the impression that Warnock get sacked unless he walks away himself but I feel he's too proud to that so unfortunately I think we are stuck with him although I did find his post match interview interesting.

The club is completely toxic at the moment like it was under Pulis and I fear it's going to get a lot lot worse than this especially away from home.

1st half performance was carbon copy of Coventry and Derby away and just not good enough. 2nd half we had a few chances but it was papering over the cracks of how bad we are.

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1 minute ago, diggerlad07 said:

Just got back from game, and to say the club is an embarrassment is an understatement.

When fans starting fighting each other in the stands like they did today and when at the end of the match numerous bottles were thrown in the direction of the fans, then something must change.

Payeros not injured but you won't see him anywhere near the 1st team on a matchday for a while whilst Warnock is here.

I'm still under the impression that Warnock get sacked unless he walks away himself but I feel he's too proud to that so unfortunately I think we are stuck with him although I did find his post match interview interesting.

The club is completely toxic at the moment like it was under Pulis and I fear it's going to get a lot lot worse than this especially away from home.

1st half performance was carbon copy of Coventry and Derby away and just not good enough. 2nd half we had a few chances but it was papering over the cracks of how bad we are.

Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting.

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I think if our manager wasn’t such a hugely respected figure in the game and wasn’t perceived to have done us a favour last season the club might be looking at things differently. Invariably Warnock has got things right in this league but it’s a while ago now and he seems to be at odds with everyone and everything at the moment. It seems he didn’t want the players we signed, he didn’t want to lose the players we loaned out, the officials are the worst in his long career, he said today he can’t go on the pitch and put the ball in the net himself. It sounds desperate and forlorn and if I’m honest a bit sad. He doesn’t know what to do, the club doesn’t know what to do so we are in a bit of limbo. We simply don’t have a good 70 minutes never mind 90 minutes in us at the moment. Yes we beat Sheff Utd but who would argue we were by  far the better team - I think we had 30 odd percent possession. I think some reflection and deep thinking needs to take place over the international break. If he is staying, Warnock needs to start enjoying it again as his negativity and despair is affecting  the team for me. 

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11 minutes ago, BoroJake said:

Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting.

I think, as was mentioned previously, players like Payero and Siliki were bought with one eye on Warnock's successor.

Though I don't think it was envisaged he would avoid playing them if at all possible.

When Warnock goes, we can probably expect to sign more players like them. Until that time though, they will only play cameo roles at most. Just have to hope they aren't thoroughly fed up and disillusioned by then.

 

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12 minutes ago, BoroJake said:

Surely Gibson can’t be happy with the payero situation? He’s spent a lot of money on somebody who won’t be starting.

I don't think it's just that he's not starting if he is unhappy about it. The lad looks absolutely done with being a Middlesbrough player before he's even started and there's only one man to blame for that; the manager.

It's one thing hoping he'll be used more under another manager. It's quite another wondering whether he's even going to be here beyond this season, if even the rest of this one.

If it wasn't for the money involved, I'd not be shocked if Payero never played for us again. Even contemplating that idea makes me think this manager has to go.

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