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1 minute ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

I can see it now. 

Payero does a Tevez. 

New head of football storms out after a few weeks due to untenable position. 

Long term plan ripped up. 

Warnock stays to oversee the disaster and contributing to it further. 

You have to laugh!

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4 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

I can see it now. 

Payero does a Tevez. 

New head of football storms out after a few weeks due to untenable position. 

Long term plan ripped up. 

Warnock stays to oversee the disaster and contributing to it further. 

You have to laugh!

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7 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

I think the fact he's been in it for 4 decades is a showcase of what he can't give up. I believe he's said similar things himself since coming here. Wasn't it back in the mid-00s when he initially said he was going to retire?

He's not fussed on money, he came here saying don't worry about the money. I'm sure like anyone he'll make sure he gets paid his fair bit for his work but I don't think it's why he's in the game.

The problem is that whether he can see it is or isn't working, he won't want to give up on trying to make it work unless the atmosphere is really bad and I think he wants to believe it's better than his own fans singing about him getting sacked in the morning. It was just a few days before that when he'll have been giving it the big fist pump to the Red Faction after the Sheffield United game.

Neil warnock is the lowest paid member of first team staff supposedly so I don't think he's in it for the cash 

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4 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

I can see it now. 

Payero does a Tevez. 

New head of football storms out after a few weeks due to untenable position. 

Long term plan ripped up. 

Warnock stays to oversee the disaster and contributing to it further. 

You have to laugh!

Wouldn't suprise me in the slightest.

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payero is a 8 or 10. currently our 8 or 10 is crooks. to play that under warnock you need to be 6ft 4in and be able to head a ball or its pointless. payero is useless to warnock in the way he plays. he isnt going to play him deep and get him doing howsons job of running about everywhere and launching hopeful balls into the channels. whats the point in signing him? hes signed by the club clearly and warnock isnt thinking about anything other than the present. where scott is thinking future. thats the compromise warnock needs to make, he needs to get onboard with the club or gibson will pull the trigger. 

hopefully thats already happened, fingers and toes crossed eh

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14 minutes ago, Mfcdanny said:

I don’t think I’ve ever been so for a manager to get sacked. Even under pulis and woodgate I can’t remember been so annoyed than I am now. I used to love the bloke but after a while you just realise he’s full of ***. He will say anything than admit faults of his own. 
if we hadn’t brought in Scott and knowing this will be his last season maybe I could get behind him, but I just don’t see any reason to not get rid now. 

I agree as well, what’s the point in keeping Warnock till the end when next season will be another transitional period under a new manager. Surely it makes sense to get someone in now use the rest of this season to transition and go for it next year, with someone who will keep the ball on the ground.

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1 hour ago, Payero said:

He was injured last week so has flown home for a week to see his family. He's struggling with a knee injury 

Complete opposite to what i heard...  No sign of injury at all and was told he wont be near the match days squad for a long period as warnock and the backroom staff dont trust him.

What time is warnock getting sacked did you say?

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Just now, diggerlad07 said:

Complete opposite to what i heard...  No sign of injury at all and was told he wont be near the match days squad for a long period as warnock and the backroom staff dont trust him.

What time is warnock getting sacked did you say?

If that’s true get that *** out of the club.

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1 minute ago, Dynamo Kev said:

payero is a 8 or 10. currently our 8 or 10 is crooks. to play that under warnock you need to be 6ft 4in and be able to head a ball or its pointless. payero is useless to warnock in the way he plays. he isnt going to play him deep and get him doing howsons job of running about everywhere and launching hopeful balls into the channels. whats the point in signing him? hes signed by the club clearly and warnock isnt thinking about anything other than the present. where scott is thinking future. thats the compromise warnock needs to make, he needs to get onboard with the club or gibson will pull the trigger. 

hopefully thats already happened, fingers and toes crossed eh

It’s another example of us signing a player for the wrong type of manager and then selling him back to Argentina next year as Warnock has killed any confidence he had being a new lad in a new country for 1 million

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1 minute ago, Payero said:

Neil warnock is the lowest paid member of first team staff supposedly so I don't think he's in it for the cash 

I'd be shocked in a way if that was the case but also, the man has made his money in the game and I'm pretty sure that he's the kind of man that knows the value of that money and isn't out to financially capitalise on every remaining opportunity. I don't think he'd get held up by money unless it was related to someone else, i.e. his coaching staff.

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2 minutes ago, diggerlad07 said:

Complete opposite to what i heard...  No sign of injury at all and was told he wont be near the match days squad for a long period as warnock and the backroom staff dont trust him.

What time is warnock getting sacked did you say?

Get this *** troll out of our club and take his henchmen with him

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I have no special insight into any of this but what it seems to me is this. Appointing Kieran Scott was the relaunch of the Golden Thread. Because Scott needed to be involved in choosing our next manager, wasn't free until September and so on, we couldn't appoint a replacement for Warnock in the summer so we went on a twin track approach. Warnock would give it his best to get us to the play-offs and would be supported as far as possible. He would also be responsible for integrating players bought/loaned for the new golden thread. The feeling clearly being that if we didn't get to the playoffs we would still be comfortably mid-table and that Warnock would leave once the play-offs were no longer possible and a new manager had been agreed.

That has failed far earlier than anyone expected. Although the crowd hasn't turned yet it's not far from doing so. Presumably, also, we're still in the process of deciding on a new manager. If we're lucky, we might be able to appoint one in the next few weeks by accelerating the process. If not, we have a problem.

Warnock and Gibson both know that Warnock is on borrowed time which means Gibson has a decision to make. Does he tough it out with Warnock for as long as it takes to bring in a new coach or does he put a caretaker like Graeme Lee in charge? 

You know what you will get with Warnock. Odds are he has enough of 'his' players to work with to prevent us from being completely sucked into a relegation battle. Warnock may of course walk if he feels it's no longer worth the grief. Put in a caretaker without a locked in replacement makes a relegation battle a real possibility if the caretaker is out of his depth.

My feeling is that Gibson will try to keep Warnock on for as long as he can until he has a replacement and that any "compromise" will be that Warnock gets to do things his way and leaves when both sides agree. With the squad being such a mess right now, appointing someone might just ruin their start; having Warnock deal with it means he acts as a heatshield.

Personally I would go with Graeme Lee and just try to drain the toxicity from the situation. I'm not sure that results would improve but providing that he can get a team on the pitch and coach them with a minimum of competence I think we'll be alright. 

 

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2 minutes ago, diggerlad07 said:

Complete opposite to what i heard...  No sign of injury at all and was told he wont be near the match days squad for a long period as warnock and the backroom staff dont trust him.

What time is warnock getting sacked did you say?

11am

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1 minute ago, Tarmo Kink Army said:

I agree as well, what’s the point in keeping Warnock till the end when next season will be another transitional period under a new manager. Surely it makes sense to get someone in now use the rest of this season to transition and go for it next year, with someone who will keep the ball on the ground.

yep and next season will be already set up by the guy after a good consolidation of the new footballing philosophy instilled into the players. lets be honest, it will take more than a few games to knock this style out of some of them. its so easy for any of us to just launch a ball high and long. instead of thinking to much on making angles to receive passes in tight areas.

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