boro-unger 3,818 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Was wondering how many points we'd lost from a winning position as it felt like a lot. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/punktenachfuehrung/wettbewerb/GB2 We're 6th best in terms of how many times we've taken the lead in the league this season (12), but we've lost 4 games from those 12 games. More losses after taking the lead than any other team. Shows the work that Wilder needs to do on holding on to a lead. We'd be in a far better position if we could sort that fragility. Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, BoroJake said: Pretty sure they are not put up sometimes aren’t they? Just away games mate. Home games are always up Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,331 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, boro-unger said: Was wondering how many points we'd lost from a winning position as it felt like a lot. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/punktenachfuehrung/wettbewerb/GB2 We're 6th best in terms of how many times we've taken the lead in the league this season (12), but we've lost 4 games from those 12 games. More losses after taking the lead than any other team. Shows the work that Wilder needs to do on holding on to a lead. We'd be in a far better position if we could sort that fragility. Pretty sure I saw earlier that we would be joint second based on first half performances too 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Foogle 2,078 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 games you could say we should've won on the balance of play and 1 point to show for it. There was always going to be teething issues. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 2,565 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: Tav has already spoken to Leeds Flatters to deceive on a regular basis. More than happy to cash in and bring on Payero who is head and shoulders a better player. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Was a mixed bag today. Again, signs of positive football. The period leading up to Watmore's shot from the edge of the box in the first half was nice to watch even if it didn't come to much in the end. Not sure about the first goal for them but the second goal especially was just so poor. Bamba becomes the culprit in the end but we got stretched into bad positions, he actually prevented a good opportunity to begin with before smacking it against his own player. It was a very tired attempt to pass/clear/whatever. Feel for him a bit as this is clearly starting to show his weaknesses in terms of his personal fitness. He doesn't stop trying and his intelligence is still really good in a lot of situations. But when you're tired you make bad decisions and I think that's exactly what happened for the second goal. I hate to say it but Tav was a bit of a passenger today. At the weekend he was mostly really good, looked like he'd really found his place in the side. Second half against Millwall is when he started to drop off with some poor passing and that continued into today. Also, though it was mostly the first half, I think that might have been Howson's best performance in possession that I've seen from him in a Boro shirt. He anchored that midfield really well, was often the one supporting on both sides and played the ball round really nice and precisely. Still signs there of something to come. Maybe time to make some changes at the weekend? Interesting that Stoj was on the bench today with no Lumley around. Him and young Max Metcalfe were taking shots from the team in the warm-ups today. Stoj was making some great saves. Also think Lea-Siliki scored every one of his efforts! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,220 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, TeaCider24 said: Don't think it was much different to many of the games under Warnock to be honest, even when we were winning. Oh aye it was exactly the same 🤦♂️ 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Erimus 63 478 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: Tav has already spoken to Leeds Very considerate of him, wanting to fund the new incomings. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 2,565 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 We might easily have won these two games. Probably should have. And whilst I feel gutted with the result tonight, I’m wondering whether the new manager and his staff have actually learned a lot more about the true nature of their squad in the way things have panned out. It’s surely been a crash course in the obvious deficiencies, alongside some genuine reasons to be optimistic, reminiscent of the start of the Karanka era. I fancy that there are already names pencilled in to depart, and replacements to come in, fundamental changes to attitudes, systems and training regimens, and a general desire to go through the club like a dose of salts. It will take a little while but I’m hopeful that this is the bottom of our downswing since promotion and a return to better days ahead. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,220 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TheJew said: Let's face it, we are absolutely whacked after 60 minutes. The fitness levels are appalling and that's shown in the second half performances. What has Warnock and his team done in pre-season? That's not really true though is it? We were still playing well long after 60 mins. Sporar's chance that was saved, Jones shot over the bar, Hernandez had an effort, McNair's freekick that was saved, all after 60 mins. Preston scored from a corner after 77 mins, I don't remember us struggling before then? I don't remember us struggling after then to be honest. We got hit on the break for the second, as well as the brain freeze that Bamba had unfortunately, but it's not like we were under pressure. I'm not sure all of this fitness stuff is accurate or all that fair on Warnock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyL 2,565 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Changing Times said: That's not really true though is it? We were still playing well long after 60 mins. Sporar's chance that was saved, Jones shot over the bar, Hernandez had an effort, McNair's freekick that was saved, all after 60 mins. Preston scored from a corner after 77 mins, I don't remember us struggling before then? I don't remember us struggling after then to be honest. We got hit on the break for the second, as well as the brain freeze that Bamba had unfortunately, but it's not like we were under pressure. I'm not sure all of this fitness stuff is accurate or all that fair on Warnock. The evidence of our falling away in the second half is blatant. Since players don’t lose ability as the game goes on then fitness is the only plausible explanation. Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,220 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Just now, CrazyL said: The evidence of our falling away in the second half is blatant. Since players don’t lose ability as the game goes on then fitness is the only plausible explanation. Well, it's not the only plausible explanation, and there's a difference between falling away and losing. The stats may show a major drop off between the distance covered in each half, I have no idea. If they do, and that drop off is larger than the rest of the clubs in our division, then fair enough it's the likely explanation. I didn't see a team fall off tonight though. At no point were we being outworked by Preston. They scored a goal from a corner, which was poor defending on our part, and a goal on a counter attack where we had actually regained control of the situation, and then completely messed it up. Even with the counter, the issue is that we've pushed too many players forwards. We've basically left three back and everyone else has gone forwards. That's something we'll need to learn how to do better as we adjust to this new style of play. As we will in terms of using the ball better. Link to post Share on other sites
kentucky 341 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Only tactic I saw Today was give it to Jones , when you can , Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,176 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/12476835/middlesbrough-1-2-preston Sorry that I have put up the "lowlights" of last night's game but there is still a lot to discuss about our showing a lack of a cutting edge. Not an excuse for more name calling though which if continues will be dealt with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Johnmfc81 902 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Some players are obviously fitter than others, fitness isn't always measured in how long they can run for but also levels of concentration. We got really sloppy second half. While I love Bamba he shouldn't be playing 90 minutes 2-3 times a week. But we have to due to the state of the squad currently. Hopefully we address this in Jan, G. Hall needs to move on as he is injured more than he plays, so atleast another Center back is a must. Link to post Share on other sites
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