Essuuaitch 330 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) thanks for taking the time to explain,Borodane but it doesnt exactly adress my concerns. im more skeptical of who is considered on the shortlist and how and why theyre there. btw you are not one of the mods i disargee with and im sorry you felt the need to offer to step down over this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, BearSmog said: Isn't this just a popularity contest with fewer judges? It’s not a public one though. Making it public just seems wrong. To a degree it’ll always be some sort of contest, but we aren’t necessarily looking for someone popular but rather someone with balanced views and a respectful tone towards others. And someone who frequents the site often. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BearSmog 1,382 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Borodane said: It’s not a public one though. Making it public just seems wrong. To a degree it’ll always be some sort of contest, but we aren’t necessarily looking for someone popular but rather someone with balanced views and a respectful tone towards others. And someone who frequents the site often. I completely understand that, I just think that when things are discussed privately you lose a lot of transparency and the process is open to be doubted/attacked. Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,175 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, BearSmog said: I completely understand that, I just think that when things are discussed privately you lose a lot of transparency and the process is open to be doubted/attacked. As already mentioned there is a chance that we may need to replace non active moderators although highly unlikely at this time but I am willing to open it up to the forum at the right time for suggestions and tbh I would imagine those suggested would already be being considered by the team anyway. Incidentally I know Rob will be visiting the forum later on and pretty sure he will air his views and opinions on the subject in hand. @oneboro Something from yourself I think would be welcomed by various forum members, thanks Rob. Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, BearSmog said: I completely understand that, I just think that when things are discussed privately you lose a lot of transparency and the process is open to be doubted/attacked. Honestly I don't feel transparency is necessary. By opening the process up to debate and input from everyone, you are in effect making it a popularity contest...which could lead to a certain amount of toxic behaviour if it looks like peoples' preferred candidate isn't going to get the job. I for one wouldn't like to see moderator selection reduced to the circus of a general election. A bit over dramatised maybe, but you get my point, I hope. By keeping it private and not subject to external influence I genuinely believe we get better people in place, if not necessarily more popular ones. Given who we have on the "staff" at the moment, I'm certainly happy to let them handle the process. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BearSmog said: I completely understand that, I just think that when things are discussed privately you lose a lot of transparency and the process is open to be doubted/attacked. I've not always got on with all the mods on this site, I've not always agreed with decisions made. And I appreciate this perhaps means less given the position now held (but I have been an active member for many years now, which is the experience I'm drawing on here) but I always tried to take a grander view of the situation, does the forum by and large run well. Which it does. And if it didn't, all the people who complain about mod selection wouldn't be here to complain about it to begin with, they'd be elsewhere. The only argument against that thought process I can think of is maybe we're just the best of a bad bunch, that no site really handles itself well to a given member but even then, I'd say forum moderation is done everywhere by people who take up their own free time to keep the place going as smoothly as possible and if we're the best of a bad bunch then we must be doing something right in our mod appointments. Also, people put forward names who they think will handle the site better in these times but what if they're not willing because actually they just want to talk about the Boro? What if they don't have the time to spare even if they'd like to? I believe one of the main reasons me and Brunners probably got picked out is because we are so active on the site but when the big calls need to be made, we're drawing on the experience and characters of our fellow mods and from what I've seen so far as a member of this team, pretty much always taking the lenient approach. We can be a bit firey at times as individuals, I appreciate that but we're not making big decisions by ourselves or we'd not still be in this position. I'd also say that availability is a big reason as to why I'm managing the MSF side of things, again in my free time for the benefit of the rest of the forum and I think that side is going quite well at the moment. With the greatest of respects to Jen she wasn't able to make herself available for it and I'm sure she'd have kept it going just as well if not better than I can if she was there to do it. But then plenty of people also disagreed with that decision too because they don't like me. So is a popularity contest the right way to manage this? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Naisby 736 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I think the problem is that the site is split into 3 factions, you got the 90% that get on with things and the other 10% are made up of Mods and Rockers who grudgingly rub along together most of the time, but are just waiting for a verbal rumble when one comes along. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Naisby said: I think the problem is that the site is split into 3 factions, you got the 90% that get on with things and the other 10% are made up of Mods and Rockers who grudgingly rub along together most of the time, but are just waiting for a verbal rumble when one comes along. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Johnson 612 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just taking the moderator situation to one side I would like to offer a rationale. For me, this site is by far and away the best site for Boro conversation, news and informed opinion. It has an abundance of eloquent posters who can debate(usually) in a way totally different to other Boro sites. This has to be commended. I for one am sorry to see a number of comments on this thread. Lads( and lasses) don’t lose what we have here. It generally shows more maturity, more authority, a willingness to debate that is clearly head and shoulders above other Boro sites. UTB 7 Link to post Share on other sites
mj south 610 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I think the forum is run pretty well, although a weeks ban for CT seems harsh and also pointless he is close to the mark but that's just him and I think the forum is all the better for having members like CT in it. There is others though that really should sod off, although I won't disclose who Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,175 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Payero said: You should apologise for naming changing times on another forum you cowardly cuck Thank you for giving me the opportunity to ban you, you really are a strange troll and btw no one seems to like you at all 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,900 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Downsouth said: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to ban you, you really are a strange troll and btw no one seems to like you at all Actually I like him @Downsouth. Here’s how I see it. The forum is like an episode of Only Fools and Horses. When they are all in the Nags Head and Trigger walks in, you just know that there is going to be a piece of comedic genius about to unfold in a really ridiculous way. I see Payero as Trigger. Pure comedy gold. Don’t ban him Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,175 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Sorry everyone no debate between anyone an instant decision was made to remove Payero due to the above in fact I have deleted his account 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Downsouth 6,175 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Blanco said: Actually I like him @Downsouth. Here’s how I see it. The forum is like an episode of Only Fools and Horses. When they are all in the Nags Head and Trigger walks in, you just know that there is going to be a piece of comedic genius about to unfold in a really ridiculous way. I see Payero as Trigger. Pure comedy gold. Don’t ban him I know not to your liking Joe but I did not ban him I deleted him instead. With what you have mentioned I am going to reassess my position on here because seemingly I am in the wrong everytime thought you would have supported this action but hey guess not Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,900 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Downsouth said: I know not to your liking Joe but I did not ban him I deleted him instead. With what you have mentioned I am going to reassess my position on here because seemingly I am in the wrong everytime thought you would have supported this action but hey guess not I am not against you in any way at all Alan. I thought I would just try and lighten the atmosphere with what has happened over the last few days. I did find Payero amusing but fully accept that not everyone would. You and the entire mod team have my full support 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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