Derby County.

[MadAmster 81]

13 hours ago, Changing Times said:

I hope they stay up now that they are my second team.  They are the true underdog story, a team battling against the odds to survive.  This is what football is all about.

People were complaining Derby hadn't sold players. In January we lost 10 players although 1 has come back on loan till the end of the season. The 6 outfield players on the bench last night had an average age of 19. 5 of the starting XI were 21 and under, all from our Academy. We overspent, or should I say, Mel did and then walked away. Under EFL rules the club has been hit accordingly. The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK Law? I'm not having a go at anyone here, just interested in Boro fans points of view. My other question is, who's move is it? I would say it's on Boro and Wycombe. Admin has said the claims are unfounded. Under normal circumstances it's then up to the claimee to progress their claim in court? Would you agree and, if not, why not?   With regard to the legitimacy of the claims, it looks like the EFL are, to an extent backing Boro and Wycombe. On the other hand they are also looking at changing the rules so that clubs are not allowed to make such claims. Strange stance? I think we can all agree that what led to the current situation shouldn't happen again and that the rules need changing to ensure that it can't happen again. To that end I have written to the EFL suggesting they adopt the KNVB measures on this. In short, making a loss isn't the way to go. Before each season all clubs have to submit their budget for the upcoming season. Now much income? The figure has to be backed up with facts and forecasts, contracts etc on season ticket sales, sponsorship, advertising etc. The figure quoted has to be realistic or it won't be accepted. Outgoings have to be listed too. Wages, maintenance etc. Budgetting for a loss isn't allowed. If a budget gets rejected, clubs have to amend and resubmit including justification for any changes made. If a club makes a loss, which can happen to any company, for external reasons like Covid or falling gates because you had a poor season, that has to be taken into account in the following season's budget. Any losses have to be regained within 3 to 5 years and the new budgets have to show how and by when losses will be repaid. Continued submission of unbelievable or nonsensical budgets will lead to points deductions and at worst, having the licence to play revoked. I sincerely hope that the EFL adopts a similar policy so that no other club is able to find itself where we currently are. I'm hoping for a win this Saturday but think you'll take the points. One thing is certain, nobody expected the players to get us this close to safety with another 16 games to play. The Great Escape is looking on and Rooney, his staff and the players will deserve it if they can seal the deal. I'll be watching on RamsTV here in Amsterdam. here's to a good game......... we're gonna have a party, when Derby equalise 😉

[Johnny Xiemx 24]

Along with 2k fellow sheepshaggers I will be coming to Boro on Saturday and along with the vast majority will not be smashing up the toilets or singing the vile Gibson song, although I am sure the Derby dies song will be on repeat. Who out of Morris, Gibson and Ashley is going to win the *** swinging competition I don't know but I do know that for 2hours on Saturday everyone in the Riverside will be roaring on their team and unlike the sanitised football tourist atmosphere of the premier League,we are football supporters and it matters. Yes, we both have our share of bellends but hopefully they'll be kept apart We both need 3 points for different reasons, I have always admired Wilder as a manager and Rooney who I thought would be a showpony is doing an extraordinary job given the hand he has been dealt and last night's match keeps our hopes alive for another week, 

No matter the result we will all do it again the week after.

Finally I have been chased from ayresome park when Kevin hector scored for us in the final minutes to make it 1-1 in 1975/6 but now in my sixties I intend to walk back into town and grab a parno

 Good luck

 

 

 

 

[Denzel Zanzibar 6,972]

3 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

People were complaining Derby hadn't sold players. In January we lost 10 players although 1 has come back on loan till the end of the season. The 6 outfield players on the bench last night had an average age of 19. 5 of the starting XI were 21 and under, all from our Academy. We overspent, or should I say, Mel did and then walked away. Under EFL rules the club has been hit accordingly. The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK Law? I'm not having a go at anyone here, just interested in Boro fans points of view. My other question is, who's move is it? I would say it's on Boro and Wycombe. Admin has said the claims are unfounded. Under normal circumstances it's then up to the claimee to progress their claim in court? Would you agree and, if not, why not?   With regard to the legitimacy of the claims, it looks like the EFL are, to an extent backing Boro and Wycombe. On the other hand they are also looking at changing the rules so that clubs are not allowed to make such claims. Strange stance? I think we can all agree that what led to the current situation shouldn't happen again and that the rules need changing to ensure that it can't happen again. To that end I have written to the EFL suggesting they adopt the KNVB measures on this. In short, making a loss isn't the way to go. Before each season all clubs have to submit their budget for the upcoming season. Now much income? The figure has to be backed up with facts and forecasts, contracts etc on season ticket sales, sponsorship, advertising etc. The figure quoted has to be realistic or it won't be accepted. Outgoings have to be listed too. Wages, maintenance etc. Budgetting for a loss isn't allowed. If a budget gets rejected, clubs have to amend and resubmit including justification for any changes made. If a club makes a loss, which can happen to any company, for external reasons like Covid or falling gates because you had a poor season, that has to be taken into account in the following season's budget. Any losses have to be regained within 3 to 5 years and the new budgets have to show how and by when losses will be repaid. Continued submission of unbelievable or nonsensical budgets will lead to points deductions and at worst, having the licence to play revoked. I sincerely hope that the EFL adopts a similar policy so that no other club is able to find itself where we currently are. I'm hoping for a win this Saturday but think you'll take the points. One thing is certain, nobody expected the players to get us this close to safety with another 16 games to play. The Great Escape is looking on and Rooney, his staff and the players will deserve it if they can seal the deal. I'll be watching on RamsTV here in Amsterdam. here's to a good game......... we're gonna have a party, when Derby equalise 😉

Respectfully, I hope you fail to survive relegation and start in League One next season on -15

[Denzel Zanzibar 6,972]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Xiemx said:

Along with 2k fellow sheepshaggers I will be coming to Boro on Saturday and along with the vast majority will not be smashing up the toilets or singing the vile Gibson song, although I am sure the Derby dies song will be on repeat. Who out of Morris, Gibson and Ashley is going to win the *** swinging competition I don't know but I do know that for 2hours on Saturday everyone in the Riverside will be roaring on their team and unlike the sanitised football tourist atmosphere of the premier League,we are football supporters and it matters. Yes, we both have our share of bellends but hopefully they'll be kept apart We both need 3 points for different reasons, I have always admired Wilder as a manager and Rooney who I thought would be a showpony is doing an extraordinary job given the hand he has been dealt and last night's match keeps our hopes alive for another week, 

No matter the result we will all do it again the week after.

Finally I have been chased from ayresome park when Kevin hector scored for us in the final minutes to make it 1-1 in 1975/6 but now in my sixties I intend to walk back into town and grab a parno

 Good luck

 

 

 

 

Okay I kind of like you

[Downsouth 6,327]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Xiemx said:

Along with 2k fellow sheepshaggers I will be coming to Boro on Saturday and along with the vast majority will not be smashing up the toilets or singing the vile Gibson song, although I am sure the Derby dies song will be on repeat. Who out of Morris, Gibson and Ashley is going to win the *** swinging competition I don't know but I do know that for 2hours on Saturday everyone in the Riverside will be roaring on their team and unlike the sanitised football tourist atmosphere of the premier League,we are football supporters and it matters. Yes, we both have our share of bellends but hopefully they'll be kept apart We both need 3 points for different reasons, I have always admired Wilder as a manager and Rooney who I thought would be a showpony is doing an extraordinary job given the hand he has been dealt and last night's match keeps our hopes alive for another week, 

No matter the result we will all do it again the week after.

Finally I have been chased from ayresome park when Kevin hector scored for us in the final minutes to make it 1-1 in 1975/6 but now in my sixties I intend to walk back into town and grab a parno

 Good luck

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your considered post, won't wish you luck for Saturday but all other matches!

Oh enjoy having a parmo, there are no parno or maybe a spelling mistake porno😉

@Leesiderbeat you mate!

[Downsouth 6,327]

What is Derby's allocation?

[AnglianRed 6,320]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Xiemx said:

Along with 2k fellow sheepshaggers I will be coming to Boro on Saturday and along with the vast majority will not be smashing up the toilets or singing the vile Gibson song, although I am sure the Derby dies song will be on repeat. Who out of Morris, Gibson and Ashley is going to win the *** swinging competition I don't know but I do know that for 2hours on Saturday everyone in the Riverside will be roaring on their team and unlike the sanitised football tourist atmosphere of the premier League,we are football supporters and it matters. Yes, we both have our share of bellends but hopefully they'll be kept apart We both need 3 points for different reasons, I have always admired Wilder as a manager and Rooney who I thought would be a showpony is doing an extraordinary job given the hand he has been dealt and last night's match keeps our hopes alive for another week, 

No matter the result we will all do it again the week after.

Finally I have been chased from ayresome park when Kevin hector scored for us in the final minutes to make it 1-1 in 1975/6 but now in my sixties I intend to walk back into town and grab a parno

 Good luck

 

 

 

 

Thanks for stopping by - and enjoy your parmo!

For what its worth most of us just want this to be over and hope DCFC is still alive and kicking next season. 

Rooney's doing an amazing job for you under the circumstances and reckon he could just keep you up.

 

[Brunners 7,982]

10 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Respectfully, I hope you fail to survive relegation and start in League One next season on -15

And pay back the money they owe, of course.

[Humpty 3,261]

6 minutes ago, Downsouth said:

What is Derby's allocation?

2,000 - 2,200 i believe.

[AnglianRed 6,320]

17 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

People were complaining Derby hadn't sold players. In January we lost 10 players although 1 has come back on loan till the end of the season. The 6 outfield players on the bench last night had an average age of 19. 5 of the starting XI were 21 and under, all from our Academy. We overspent, or should I say, Mel did and then walked away. Under EFL rules the club has been hit accordingly. The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK Law? I'm not having a go at anyone here, just interested in Boro fans points of view. My other question is, who's move is it? I would say it's on Boro and Wycombe. Admin has said the claims are unfounded. Under normal circumstances it's then up to the claimee to progress their claim in court? Would you agree and, if not, why not?   With regard to the legitimacy of the claims, it looks like the EFL are, to an extent backing Boro and Wycombe. On the other hand they are also looking at changing the rules so that clubs are not allowed to make such claims. Strange stance? I think we can all agree that what led to the current situation shouldn't happen again and that the rules need changing to ensure that it can't happen again. To that end I have written to the EFL suggesting they adopt the KNVB measures on this. In short, making a loss isn't the way to go. Before each season all clubs have to submit their budget for the upcoming season. Now much income? The figure has to be backed up with facts and forecasts, contracts etc on season ticket sales, sponsorship, advertising etc. The figure quoted has to be realistic or it won't be accepted. Outgoings have to be listed too. Wages, maintenance etc. Budgetting for a loss isn't allowed. If a budget gets rejected, clubs have to amend and resubmit including justification for any changes made. If a club makes a loss, which can happen to any company, for external reasons like Covid or falling gates because you had a poor season, that has to be taken into account in the following season's budget. Any losses have to be regained within 3 to 5 years and the new budgets have to show how and by when losses will be repaid. Continued submission of unbelievable or nonsensical budgets will lead to points deductions and at worst, having the licence to play revoked. I sincerely hope that the EFL adopts a similar policy so that no other club is able to find itself where we currently are. I'm hoping for a win this Saturday but think you'll take the points. One thing is certain, nobody expected the players to get us this close to safety with another 16 games to play. The Great Escape is looking on and Rooney, his staff and the players will deserve it if they can seal the deal. I'll be watching on RamsTV here in Amsterdam. here's to a good game......... we're gonna have a party, when Derby equalise 😉

Honestly, I've given up trying to understand why this has got so complicated and is taking so long to sort out.

I think, like Derby fans, most of us just want it to be over so we can focus properly on the football.

Derby aren't an easy team to beat, so a win isn't a given. Certainly hoping for one, but won't be too disappointed with a draw.

[Borodane 6,301]

12 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK Law?

Well first of all I wouldn't trust a Mel Morris appointed administrator at any point. I think it's more likely that MM is still pulling the strings and Quantuma are mere puppets. Second, if the EFL says the ball is in Q's court then it is. They can't just lean back, fold their arms and say "no". They have to be willing to come to the table. Gibson has repeatedly said that he is willing to meet, yet Q didn't even respond for months. Sitting on their hands is going to get the club wound up. It's childish and amateurish and it sends out a signal that they aren't up to the task. And last, the EFL is a private members club so disputes have to be settled amongst the members. It's not for the public court and has got nothing to do with UK insolvency law. That's just another piece of cloak and dagger move from the puppetmaster Mel Morris. So Quantuma need to start taking this serious.

[Bosco's Tuft 941]

22 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

People were complaining Derby hadn't sold players. In January we lost 10 players although 1 has come back on loan till the end of the season. The 6 outfield players on the bench last night had an average age of 19. 5 of the starting XI were 21 and under, all from our Academy. We overspent, or should I say, Mel did and then walked away. Under EFL rules the club has been hit accordingly. The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK Law? I'm not having a go at anyone here, just interested in Boro fans points of view. My other question is, who's move is it? I would say it's on Boro and Wycombe. Admin has said the claims are unfounded. Under normal circumstances it's then up to the claimee to progress their claim in court? Would you agree and, if not, why not?   With regard to the legitimacy of the claims, it looks like the EFL are, to an extent backing Boro and Wycombe. On the other hand they are also looking at changing the rules so that clubs are not allowed to make such claims. Strange stance? I think we can all agree that what led to the current situation shouldn't happen again and that the rules need changing to ensure that it can't happen again. To that end I have written to the EFL suggesting they adopt the KNVB measures on this. In short, making a loss isn't the way to go. Before each season all clubs have to submit their budget for the upcoming season. Now much income? The figure has to be backed up with facts and forecasts, contracts etc on season ticket sales, sponsorship, advertising etc. The figure quoted has to be realistic or it won't be accepted. Outgoings have to be listed too. Wages, maintenance etc. Budgetting for a loss isn't allowed. If a budget gets rejected, clubs have to amend and resubmit including justification for any changes made. If a club makes a loss, which can happen to any company, for external reasons like Covid or falling gates because you had a poor season, that has to be taken into account in the following season's budget. Any losses have to be regained within 3 to 5 years and the new budgets have to show how and by when losses will be repaid. Continued submission of unbelievable or nonsensical budgets will lead to points deductions and at worst, having the licence to play revoked. I sincerely hope that the EFL adopts a similar policy so that no other club is able to find itself where we currently are. I'm hoping for a win this Saturday but think you'll take the points. One thing is certain, nobody expected the players to get us this close to safety with another 16 games to play. The Great Escape is looking on and Rooney, his staff and the players will deserve it if they can seal the deal. I'll be watching on RamsTV here in Amsterdam. here's to a good game......... we're gonna have a party, when Derby equalise 😉

 

This might help: You're welcome

[TeaCider24 12,642]

Derby lost 5 players in January.

3 of them on free transfers, one for £32,000, the other for a few hundred thousand.

They've turned down £2m for Tom Lawrence in the last 6 months of his contract.

If you're on the verge of liquidation (they're not, it's spin by the admins), you should sell whatever assets you can to keep the club afloat.

Instead they're taking more and more loans.

The fact is that they think they can stay up, which will naturally make them a more attractive and viable prospect,  and the admins are gambling on that, whilst spreading gossip to the press.

 

I don't blame Rooney or the players, but I'm very suspicious about the admins.

 

[Mr_Maz 2,899]

27 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

People were complaining Derby hadn't sold players. In January we lost 10 players although 1 has come back on loan till the end of the season. The 6 outfield players on the bench last night had an average age of 19. 5 of the starting XI were 21 and under, all from our Academy. We overspent, or should I say, Mel did and then walked away. Under EFL rules the club has been hit accordingly. The issue of Boro and Wycombe seems to be the current sticking point. The EFL are saying the ball is in the Administrator's court. Is it? Boro and Wycombe have made it known they feel they have a rightful claim to compensation. The Administrators disagree with that view and have said so. They want to use UK Insolvency Law to move on, The EFL says they can't. Do EFL rules really trump UK

Derby signed an insolvencey agreement with the EFL that clearly stated the process they had to follow to get out of administration, that included dealing with the Boro and wycombe claim

Q did not, and now refuse to follow those rules. they say they think they are not footballing claims, and won't do anything to deal with them

But, they have signed an agreement that states they will.

The potential bidders want it dealt with 

The EFL want it dealt with

Boro and Wycombe want it dealt with

but Q refuse to do anything (probably following MMs orders)

All Q have to do is either take it to ocurt for a ruling, or enter the arbitration process for a decision.

or MM could legally agree to underwrite any succesful claim once the cases are reviewed.

 

basically, Derby fans are being taken as mugs by MM and his Q friends

 

 

[estonpidge 1,449]

@MadAmster @Johnny Xiemx
DCFC has been ignoring the complaint from MFC for over a year, you could have dealt with it at any point. I mean if there is no case to answer the panel will surely find in your favour and whilst i don't care what the award is for or against MFC DCFC's cheating and refusal to accept the punishment when it was due has cost Wycombe their place in this division, they should be compensated by DCFC for the losses incurred.

In the opinion of the Palace chairman something fishy is still going on at DCFC which is probably the reason Gibson will not let this go. DCFC stand to come away from this with no debt and therefore a full 3 years worth of FFP to use up, in a better position than most teams around them and with the creditors & HMRC out of pocket, whilst Morris, the architect of all this sits on his fortune.