TeaCider's Summer Transfer Thread 2022 - AKA: Still Going For Just a Little Luongo

[ScarBoro 857]

1 hour ago, RiseAgainst said:

I've been very critical of some of our strikers, but I will admit that the service they're receiving is abysmal at the moment. I lost count against Huddersfield of how many times we advanced up the pitch with a sense of purpose, got to the 18-yard line, passed sideways, passed sideways, passed sideways, passed sideways and then lost the ball.

Exactly.

Also we may advance with a sense of purpose, but we often do it at a snails pace. By the time we get to the opposition third of the pitch, they’ve regrouped and often present two banks of four or five players. It makes it far to easy to defend against us.

We don’t have Wilders central defenders willing to stride forward quickly and cause uncertainty with the opposition over whether to move towards them and leave someone else unmarked.

We don’t have enough quick movement either between the midfield and forwards. Too often they appear static waiting for the ball instead of moving around to create space. People have talked before about Connolly waving and asking for a through ball to chase. I noticed yesterday Watmore doing exactly the same. I guess they wouldn’t keep doing that if Wilder has told them not to expect it, but if that’s the case, how come the midfielders never try that kind of ball? 
it all seems to come down to a midfield not willing to take a risk. No one wants to be responsible for losing the ball. Don’t know if that comes from Wilder or whether it’s just the style of the players - we don’t seem to have real leader.

[SouthernSmoggie 4,242]

By the time a team is back in their shape we have little chance of scoring. Our strikers can't win headers and nobody shoots from the edge of the area. Jones is forced to try and find feet in the box which is really hard. 

Winning free kicks and corners is meaningless for the same reason. We so rarely score from any - especially with Crooks out. A team like Huddersfield can rack up set pieces and know they'll likely score one. 

Feel like this is where Wilder needs to be smarter and more flexible- let certain teams come onto us then hit them on the break for once. 

Or make sure in the Summer we sign two strikers who are good in the air and a set piece specialist. Or even a LWB who can drift in far post and head it like Alonso does at Chelsea. 

[TLF10 4,496]

So Fulham got promoted for the 3rd time in 5 seasons tonight.

A key man in they defence in each of the 3 promotions has been Tim Ream. They left footed centre back.

However, in the 2 seasons they been in the PL he has been a bit part player for them.

At the age of 34 (35 in Oct) I dont think he will be a key player for them in PL season and he also out of contact.

I know age is not with him but cant help feel he would be an astute signing for our back line  given his experience and ability at this level alongside his very welcome left foot.

[Erimus 63 481]

5 hours ago, TLF10 said:

So Fulham got promoted for the 3rd time in 5 seasons tonight.

A key man in they defence in each of the 3 promotions has been Tim Ream. They left footed centre back.

However, in the 2 seasons they been in the PL he has been a bit part player for them.

At the age of 34 (35 in Oct) I dont think he will be a key player for them in PL season and he also out of contact.

I know age is not with him but cant help feel he would be an astute signing for our back line  given his experience and ability at this level alongside his very welcome left foot.

As I was watching the match I was thinking wish we had him. The commentator did say it was his final season here and he was going back to the US.

[bmt 187]

Bassey from Rangers would be a good addition IMO

[estonpidge 1,449]

Watched the blades play Wilderball the other day on sky and their CB's popped up on the edge of the box in open play regularly. Ok they've been playing this style for years, but given a preseason I expect our CB 's to be at least attempting the same penetration and therefore creating more chaos and opportunities in the oppositions defensive third.

[Bruce 1,559]

38 minutes ago, estonpidge said:

Watched the blades play Wilderball the other day on sky and their CB's popped up on the edge of the box in open play regularly. Ok they've been playing this style for years, but given a preseason I expect our CB 's to be at least attempting the same penetration and therefore creating more chaos and opportunities in the oppositions defensive third.

Heckingbottom's success at Sheffield Utd since he took over mid-season has been founded on reverting to Wilderball. He says that they focus on crossing earlier than under Wilder but that's about it. It has taken Corberan 2 years to get Huddersfield playing the way he wants. Nathan Jones at Luton and Mark Robins at Coventry have both had several years to get their teams right. Bielsa at Leeds took time to get the team the way he wanted. The only really successful manager of a non-money-ball team who hasn't been more than a season at a club is Steve Cooper with Forest. Fulham and Bournemouth are winning based on money rather than managerial brilliance.

At the moment, Wilder is probably about par for the course for improving the rather ramshackle group of players. This is the first really significant dip since he took over but you have to expect that kind of thing to happen. We may still turn it around this season and reach the play-offs but even if not, come next season he will have had time for his methods to become embedded the club. 

All a while of saying these things take time and the route from A to B is rarely straight-forward. Factoring out the Woodgate cul-de-sac, the players have had 4 years of Pulis/Warnock. Converting from those anti-football tactics to Wilderball is going to take a hell of a change.

[Foxtrot Oscar Colin 607]

On 4/18/2022 at 8:47 PM, kentucky said:

The underlying problem with this team, is were too soft, some decent technical players , but not prepared to do the dirty work,we need two tall no nonsense brave solid centre backs who can defend ,set pieces, I'd move Dyksteel onto a defensive midfielders , Tavernier is too inconsistent , and you don't get promotion with too many of players like that, another right side wingback and left wingback, 

Strikers a must, but no projects , we need those you know what your getting all over the park 

It's a big ask ,but they are the facts , time for Wilder and Scott whoever to do their job

If you think tavernier is inconsistent we might aswell sell everyone other than jones cos he's head and shoulders better than all of them. What exactly are you wanting him to do from cm when he's having to constantly run the length of the pitch to cover our overlapping defenders who offer nothing in the final 3rd?

Hes being used as a box to box midfielder and he's playing the role well but it does mean that goals and assists are harder to come by as your doing alot of work defensively. His final product could be better at times but his overall game is at a high standard for this league. It's not like he has much to aim for in the box anyway for example against Huddersfield sporars movement in the box was absolutely awful. Never available or in the right place. He put some good set peices in also but we don't have the height or physicality to get on the end of anything. 

[Foxtrot Oscar Colin 607]

3 hours ago, estonpidge said:

Watched the blades play Wilderball the other day on sky and their CB's popped up on the edge of the box in open play regularly. Ok they've been playing this style for years, but given a preseason I expect our CB 's to be at least attempting the same penetration and therefore creating more chaos and opportunities in the oppositions defensive third.

Why don't we just use a formation where we don't have to rely on central defenders to be important attacking components. Mcnair could probably do it OK but defensively he's not good enough in key moments and he's not big or strong enough he's fine as cover but needs moving into midfield. Dijksteel is a good defender but no real threat at all going forward. I'd rather we had some good attacking talent on the edge of the opponents box than central defenders personally.

[Humpty 3,261]

3 hours ago, estonpidge said:

Watched the blades play Wilderball the other day on sky and their CB's popped up on the edge of the box in open play regularly. Ok they've been playing this style for years, but given a preseason I expect our CB 's to be at least attempting the same penetration and therefore creating more chaos and opportunities in the oppositions defensive third.

That's exactly what they have been doing?? Surely you've seen Djikesteel and McNair making probing runs inside the wing backs?

[DurhamRed 2,047]

3 hours ago, estonpidge said:

Watched the blades play Wilderball the other day on sky and their CB's popped up on the edge of the box in open play regularly. Ok they've been playing this style for years, but given a preseason I expect our CB 's to be at least attempting the same penetration and therefore creating more chaos and opportunities in the oppositions defensive third.

Dijksteel does this alot trouble is his shooting isn't really his strength so whenever he gets into the positions he will do a weak shot or pass 

[Foxtrot Oscar Colin 607]

5 minutes ago, DurhamRed said:

Dijksteel does this alot trouble is his shooting isn't really his strength so whenever he gets into the positions he will do a weak shot or pass 

Teams allow dijksteel the ball on the overload situations and get tight to everyone else. Once the ball finally reaches Jones or whoever then there's enough defenders back to deal with us. On the other side Bola is slow and negative in possession it kills our attacks. Then once they clear it there's loads of space to run into down the channels meaning the midfielders are having to hold back to track any runners. I don't mind having some fluidity in the team but for me this is negatively effecting us in attacking and defensive situations. Every team has pretty much done the same thing recently and we have struggled to be effective at both ends of the pitch. 

We need a bit of a clear out next season if were going to play these tactics if wilders still here.

[Foogle 2,104]

2 hours ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Teams allow dijksteel the ball on the overload situations and get tight to everyone else. Once the ball finally reaches Jones or whoever then there's enough defenders back to deal with us. On the other side Bola is slow and negative in possession it kills our attacks. Then once they clear it there's loads of space to run into down the channels meaning the midfielders are having to hold back to track any runners. I don't mind having some fluidity in the team but for me this is negatively effecting us in attacking and defensive situations. Every team has pretty much done the same thing recently and we have struggled to be effective at both ends of the pitch. 

We need a bit of a clear out next season if were going to play these tactics if wilders still here.

I still believe that Wilder's tactics have us performing better than the individual players, he's got us gaining points in playoff form which seemed a far cry to what we were seeing at the start of the season. The manager and tactics can only do so much, if we get somewhere in the ballpark expected for Spence we can easily buy a good striker, goalkeeper and LWB with that money alone. Then a few more additions on top and we should be right up there.

[Humpty 3,261]

…or the previous manager was vastly under achieving with this squad. That’s my view at least, particularly when you compare it with some of those in the top 6. Huddersfield and Luton for example. No doubting we can make some improvements…goalkeeper and left wing back for example. I’m sure every team from 3rd to 10th and beyond would tell you there’s spots in their first 11 they need strengthening.

[smogsterking the Inspirati 2,490]

Has anyone asked Anthony Vickers if there's any truth in the Soriano rumours.