Humpty 3,242 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I don't think Fredericks comes here if he's not given assurances about starting. He'll be well aware of Jones. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, caseybwoy said: Our whole team was quite poor towards the latter 2-3 months every single player looked gassed. I just think he has qualities that are not easily replaceable. Hes scored 1 in 4 for us which is a good return in his first season. He’s tenacious and good in the air. We saw it first hand last year when he wasn’t in the team we missed him, we had no bite in midfield and we struggled. Plus when he is firing he can pick out a decent pass aswell. I think you will see a big improvement in crooks this season with a full pre season under wilder. Hope so. I do like Crooks. I just feel we could have someone more technical in that position. Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Wilder has played variations of his formation too. He typically uses 3142 But he has gone with a diamond so a 3-1-4-1-1 and he's also done a 3-4-3 formation with LWB/LW and RWB/RW. Could easily see a formation with RCB - Dijksteel, RWB - Federicks and RW - Jones Link to post Share on other sites
Guffie 999 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, mendieta420 said: dijksteel cannot play right wing back we wouldnt be signing fredericks if hes demanding unreasonable wages why would passing on him mean we can a left sided player instead? surely its not one or the other Didn’t say it’s one or the other? I just don’t think we should be looking at a Rwb. Dijksteel is more than capable as playing rwb if needed. I don’t think fredericks would be happy to come in as backup do you? Link to post Share on other sites
notjade 1,174 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Also bear in mind that it's back to 5 subs next season. Subs are going to have more opportunities to play 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BoroSmoggie 2,678 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I think Fredericks is to good to be sat on the bench at championship level. Premiership yeah fair enough, but to not be starting in this league would be mad from him. He’d start for every other championship team no question. Link to post Share on other sites
tmcc 583 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, RiversideRed said: Who Akpom 21/22 Season - Greece & Europe - 52 Games (11 Goals & 3 Assists) - 1 in 5, playing in Greece. Terrible Return. 20/21 Season - Championship - 38 Games (5 Goals & 2 Assists) - Pathetic. 19/20 Season - Greece & Europe - 43 Games (10 Goals & 3 Assists) - 1 in 4, playing in Greece. Terrible Return. 18/19 Season - Greece & Europe - 33 Games (8 Goals & 5 Assists) - 1 in 4, playing in Greece. Terrible Return. 17/18 Season - Belgium - 24 Games (8 Goals & 2 Assists) - 1 in 3, playing in Belgium. Terrible Return. 16/17 Season - Championship - 15 Games (3 Goals & 2 Assists) - 1 in 5. 21 Year Old. 15/16 Season - Championship - 41 Games (7 Goals, 1 Assists) - 1 in Almost 6. Only 20 years old so not horrendous) I'd say every season he's been crap. He's been playing in Greece and Belgium and still a 1 in 4 striker. Those leagues are L1/L2 standard with the exception of 1 or 2 teams. I disagree with your assessment that those leagues are league 2 standards. Also your stats from belgium season are wrong, he had 6 in 16 with 1 assist, the other 8 games were for arsenal. he actually had a better than 1 in 3 goal record in a new country at the age of 21. Think you're being massively harsh to call that terrible. you're also ignoring all his assists when you reaching your conclusion. if you look at his overall goal contribution its around every 2.5 games, again that's not terrible. Finally, my point is not that he's done great or set the world alight, But he got 5 goals in 36 games for a poor/goal-shy Warnock team. I dont think its the best indicator of his ability and im happy for wilder to have a look at him pre season as potentially one of our 5 strikers we need for next season. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
scotty189 925 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 whats all this Fredricks talk ? Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyMFC 1,531 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Borodane said: Beacuse we need competition for Jones. Can't have him as our only capable rwb. He's only played on the left three times in his career according to Transfermarkt. I wouldn't have thought Stacey would be considered as cover for Jones. Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Guffie said: Didn’t say it’s one or the other? I just don’t think we should be looking at a Rwb. Dijksteel is more than capable as playing rwb if needed. I don’t think fredericks would be happy to come in as backup do you? Short memory.. don't you remember how utterly toothless we were when Jones was out of the team? We need two for every position, especially considering teams will be able to make 5 subs next season. Link to post Share on other sites
Adam P 300 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Humpty said: I don't think Fredericks comes here if he's not given assurances about starting. He'll be well aware of Jones. I agree, Fredericks had a very productive season for Fulham when last in the Championship. He will come in as a starter and Jones would go to the left, I'm pretty convinced. He played alot of football off the left before this season and speaking from personal experience (not football league, but not amateur level) I played as a winger and always preferred to be on the left as a right footed player. You lose a bit defensively that way, but if we have a left footed CB it will balance it out, along with the midfielder (Tav or Mcgree) being left footed. 18 minutes ago, RiversideRed said: Wilder has played variations of his formation too. He typically uses 3142 But he has gone with a diamond so a 3-1-4-1-1 and he's also done a 3-4-3 formation with LWB/LW and RWB/RW. Could easily see a formation with RCB - Dijksteel, RWB - Federicks and RW - Jones I can't see us shifting from the current formation to the Chelsea/Forest one, I don't think our central options are strong enough to play just in a 2, also, I don't think Wilder would have been as vocal about wanting striking options either if we were to play with just 1 central striker. I could be wrong but with the linked players so far, i just dont see it. Edited June 13, 2022 by Adam P Link to post Share on other sites
RiversideRed 1,216 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, tmcc said: I disagree with your assessment that those leagues are league 2 standards. Also your stats from belgium season are wrong, he had 6 in 16 with 1 assist, the other 8 games were for arsenal. he actually had a better than 1 in 3 goal record in a new country at the age of 21. Think you're being massively harsh to call that terrible. you're also ignoring all his assists when you reaching your conclusion. if you look at his overall goal contribution its around every 2.5 games, again that's not terrible. Finally, my point is that he's done great or set the world alight, But he got 5 goals in 36 games for a poor/goal-shy Warnock team. I dont think its the best indicator of his ability and im happy for wilder to have a look at him pre season as potentially one of our 5 strikers we need for next season. I mean the games were in Premier League 2. So Arsenal reserves/U23's. Belgium and Greece looks are horrendous. Similar to SPL you've got 2-3 teams at the top and the rest are all brutal. Wilder I'm sure will have a look at him. But I can only see him being 4th/5th choice allowing Coburn to go out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites
notjade 1,174 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 For reference, Coburn scored one less goal than akpom in the league last season in 1/3 the amount of minutes. Akpom is not good enough for 5th choice 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guffie 999 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Neverbefore said: Short memory.. don't you remember how utterly toothless we were when Jones was out of the team? We need two for every position, especially considering teams will be able to make 5 subs next season. Yeah we were shocking because we had no other outlet on the other side. I’m not saying I won’t be happy with fredericks or he’s poor. What I’ve said is, if he’s happy to come as backup and not high wages perfect. But I think we should be looking at Lwb before we go for Rwb. Ideally I’d like us to go for Toffallo from huddersfield Link to post Share on other sites
Hendrie_7 1,068 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/20205690.middlesbrough-interested-coventry-striker-viktor-gyokeres/ "Wilder has lost Andraz Sporar, Aaron Connolly and Falorin Balogun since the end of last season, and has also concluded that Uche Ikpeazu and Chuba Akpom do not have a future at the Riverside." 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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